A positive way to look at the Carr signing (1 Viewer)

[Swampy Saint]

Carr’s signing has a ton of positives -

Carr’s contract is exactly his projected market value. The Saints didn’t overpay and after Jackson and Jones get their new deals Carr’s deal will look like an absolute bargain.

Carr is an improvement over Dalton/Winston. It remains to be seen just how big an improvement but he is an improvement none the less.

It prevents the Saints from being forced to trade up in the draft to try to get a QB.

It now frees the team up to go best player available in the draft. They have a ton of needs and now can use their picks to fill those needs.

Carr brings stability to the Saints QB position. Vet FAs might have been reluctant to sign with Saints with Dalton/Winston/a rookie at QB but now they know the team has a decent QB who can get them to the playoffs.

You may not love him yet but signing the guy solved a lot of problems for the team.

When all of this started for the first or second day, I didn’t like it.
My reasoning was, why would we want a QB that was benched by his own team?

Since then, I’ve weighed all of the pluses and minuses and common sense says this was a good signing.

The points you made have only helped to solidify my turn in opinion.
Nice post. It may help to sway those still on the fence.

 

[savannahsaint]

We are always in a win it all now mode. The Saints are not a NFL team to crash and burn then attempt a four year rebuild.
Also any year, any draft , we can still find the future QB with the IT factor.

 

[Complex Kid]

I love this signing. The man is an NFL team's all-time leader in all of the most important QB stat lines. He doesn't miss time, has a fantastic attitude and is vastly underrated as a leader. I just hope the coaching staff doesn't waste this.

I think the only downside to this is I'm gonna accidentally call him David Carr about 18,000 times over the next three years.

 

[Rexman100]

So much for getting rid of the head coach. LOL!

If we did get a new coach, would that mean he brings in a near champ D? Maybe a new coach might be a great offensive guy then our D slips to 25.

 

[blotch1]

Has anyone been looking at it in a negative way?

Everything I've seen has been pretty positive.

 

[Moon]

That's the beauty of it. If we winning then good for Allen. If not then he has no more excuses and we can say goodbye and hopefully have enough on offense to be attractive to a young offensive minded coach.

It's also good for attracting future head coaches if it doesn't work for Allen. No candidate can say that our management hasn't gone all out to get DA the players he wants

 

[Rexman100]

We are always in a win it all now mode. The Saints are not a NFL team to crash and burn then attempt a four year rebuild.
Also any year, any draft , we can still find the future QB with the IT factor.

Had we crashed and burned for a few years would’ve ruined all of the respect SP earned for this team.

 

[saint_drago]

Carr’s signing has a ton of positives -

Carr’s contract is exactly his projected market value. The Saints didn’t overpay and after Jackson and Jones get their new deals Carr’s deal will look like an absolute bargain.

Carr is an improvement over Dalton/Winston. It remains to be seen just how big an improvement but he is an improvement none the less.

It prevents the Saints from being forced to trade up in the draft to try to get a QB.

It now frees the team up to go best player available in the draft. They have a ton of needs and now can use their picks to fill those needs.

Carr brings stability to the Saints QB position. Vet FAs might have been reluctant to sign with Saints with Dalton/Winston/a rookie at QB but now they know the team has a decent QB who can get them to the playoffs.

You may not love him yet but signing the guy solved a lot of problems for the team.

This. Exactly this. Nothing but this. The positives outweigh the negatives and it's not even close. And what are the negatives? We paid too much for an above average QB? So what? They can easily get out of this deal if things don't work out. It's not like they hitched their wagon to him for the next decade.

Loomis brought in the best QB he possibly could on a deal that doesn't destroy the cap. He bought us a few more years to try to do something with this core group of players.

 

[Rexman100]

When all of this started for the first or second day, I didn’t like it.
My reasoning was, why would we want a QB that was benched by his own team?

Since then, I’ve weighed all of the pluses and minuses and common sense says this was a good signing.

The points you made have only helped to solidify my turn in opinion.
Nice post. It may help to sway those still on the fence.

Answer this question honestly, would the Saints have ever embarrassed and benched a perfectly healthy Drew Bree’s after his first 9 years and probowls, in an effort to save him to ensure he doesn’t get his guaranteed money? (Had Carr gotten injured in the last games, then he’d get that guaranteed money).

 

[DoubleSaint]

Has anyone been looking at it in a negative way?

Everything I've seen has been pretty positive.

Yeah I’m not even sure what the negatives could be.

The team needed a franchise QB and the FO got the best one available to them with the resources they have.

Now let’s go win some football games.

 

[tenordas]

Has anyone been looking at it in a negative way?

Everything I've seen has been pretty positive.

Are you speaking from Sportscasters or on this board?

Because you only have to go a couple of pages on any of the Carr threads from yesterday to find some chicken littles crying out "bad contract," "lousy QB," "Loomis has lost it," etc.; though, fortunately, there doesn't seem to be a whole ton of those posts, at least.

Personally, I don't see any negatives. This is a great message to the whole team as well as the fans that the FO has every intention of doing what it takes to make this team as strong as possible and get them the tools to get to a Super Bowl.

 

[i_am_error]

Maybe he could do some recruiting and bring TE Foster Moreau or Mack Hollins to the Who Dat.

Moreau was vastly underrated at LSU. Didn't realize he was a Raider.

 

[nakadish]

We just got a top 12 QB on a friendly deal. He can be considered the 2nd best QB in the NFC. How are we not pleased?

It's like when your hot girlfriend breaks up with you and you can't let it go. This is the post Drew/Payton era. It is what it is. Adjust your expectations and it's more entertaining.

 

[nakadish]

Are you speaking from Sportscasters or on this board?

Because you only have to go a couple of pages on any of the Carr threads from yesterday to find some chicken littles crying out "bad contract," "lousy QB," "Loomis has lost it," etc.; though, fortunately, there doesn't seem to be a whole ton of those posts, at least.

Personally, I don't see any negatives. This is a great message to the whole team as well as the fans that the FO has every intention of doing what it takes to make this team as strong as possible and get them the tools to get to a Super Bowl.

MT's tweet tells me all I need to know. The players are pumped, and they really haven't been since Drew. Carr is a fiery dude, and the players are really going to respond. This is going to be a very different team and a very different vibe from the last couple of years. It's going to be fun to watch.

 

[Cbarra87]

We are always in a win it all now mode. The Saints are not a NFL team to crash and burn then attempt a four year rebuild.
Also any year, any draft , we can still find the future QB with the IT factor.

Agreed. I am personally not a fan of the idea of 'tanking', and I believe that 99% of the time, no NFL team would do it. The risk of long-term reputation damage, loss of talent and coaching, due to consistent losing, and overall organizational instability, far outweighs the slim possibility that you will snag the next Peyton Manning. It's just bad business. I could go on and on with reasons why it is a terrible idea.

However, something that I don't believe teams do enough, is plan. If you treat each year as a must-win season, and go for broke with FA signings and uncontrolled spending, you give yourself pretty consistently terrible odds of success. There is nothing wrong with managing your payroll, weighing the cost/benefit of each player yearly, and building/maintaining a team through the draft. Take another team from another sport as an example. The Houston Astros never intentionally lost games during the 2013-2014 seasons, but they sucked... Bad. They did have a plan though, which was to utilize their farm system, international FA signings (historically cheap players), and the occasional trade/FA signing. Now they have made it to 6 consecutive Pennants, 2 WS wins, and are firmly at the top of baseball, for almost a decade now, with no signs of stopping.

There is value in taking a measured approach. No team should reasonably think that they will be champs each season, and they shouldn't spend like they intend to. It's just bad business. What we, and all teams, should be doing, is making sure that the contracts we hand out are in line with our long term vision, and that we place a premium on draft picks. We haven't been doing that lately, and it's made this team rely on continuously kicking the can with the salary cap, AND we are still playing subpar football.

TL;DR - No one saying we should tank should be taken seriously, but taking a measured approach, and understanding that you sometimes need to invest in your teams' future would greatly benefit the Saints, and could help fix our salary cap/get us on the road back to success.

Edit: The one caveat generally seems to be a franchise QB. Look at NE under Belichick. A combination of responsible roster/cap moves, and an elite QB allowed them to stay at the top. They are missing one part of that equation, the QB, but they are still able to win a majority of games, and they are still primed to win long term, as soon as they find that QB.