Saints After Further Review (AFR) commentary on Bountygate 2.0 (...every Saints fan needs to hear this segment) (1 Viewer)

[ndcc]

Matt Moscona (ESPN, 104.5 FM Baton Rouge) is spot on with his take on the NFL's hypocrisy in what some are calling "Bountygate 2.0." I'm sure that many of you have already heard Coach Payton's remarks.

The clear point he makes is that the NFL cut the Saints at the knees... when they were near a pinnacle (coming off that great 2011 season), and it took the Saints a half-decade to build back up. He's absolutely correct!

Moscona DOES NOT go on a rant in this segment. Instead, he lays it out in clear terms. He says things that I'm sure many in the WhoDat nation are thinking. Great job!

 

[dutar76]

Yup...

 

[SweetT]

I wish someone had some real incriminating info/photos/video of Goodell and decided to share them via multiple avenues

 

[Excelsior88]

I wish someone had some real incriminating info/photos/video of Goodell and decided to share them via multiple avenues

It's amazing what you can do with photoshop and deep fake AI technology. I mean look what he did with the Rams and chargers. Made it look like they had fans on screen during the draft.

 

[IbanezSaint]

Everytime I see someone talking about Bountygate in this way I get excited, until I see it is by someone with Louisiana/Saints connections...

This travesty will never get the ill-attention it deserves and Roger Godell/NFL will never be held accountalbe for this until the rest of the nation brings up the same points. No matter how well we put the facts together, expose it as a witch hunt, it just looks like "more excuses from Saints fans"

This is just another collection of facts and proof that we were screwed that will go away just as fast as it was posted becuase the only people that will even acknowledge and rally behind it will be us Saints fans. And what will we do? Shake our fist at the screen, maybe post a few comments on a message board and go back to our normal lives.

I can't wait for the Sean Payton tell all book after he retires. Godell has to know it's coming. And I hope it's brutal.

 

[renegadewa]

Everytime I see someone talking about Bountygate in this way I get excited, until I see it is by someone with Louisiana/Saints connections...

This travesty will never get the ill-attention it deserves and Roger Godell/NFL will never be held accountalbe for this until the rest of the nation brings up the same points. No matter how well we put the facts together, expose it as a witch hunt, it just looks like "more excuses from Saints fans"

This is just another collection of facts and proof that we were screwed that will go away just as fast as it was posted becuase the only people that will even acknowledge and rally behind it will be us Saints fans. And what will we do? Shake our fist at the screen, maybe post a few comments on a message board and go back to our normal lives.

I can't wait for the Sean Payton tell all book after he retires. Godell has to know it's coming. And I hope it's brutal.

You're right because other than Saints fans…………………….no one cares!!

Same with the Non PI call against the Rams...…………...again no one cares!!

 

[Shadeaux]

I care...

 

[Eman5805]

It affects us personally. So whenever I'm caught in a thread on Twitter or Reddit or whenever, I'll always say "If this had happened to you, in the same way, would you ever "get over it?" And we all know that Saints fans are among the most reasonable and least destructive fandoms out there.

I mean, could you imagine if that No Call happened in Philadelphia? They riot when they win. They would've tried to draw and quarter those refs

It's just an open reality. Just means whenever the Saints win again, they were THAT much better than all the forces arraigned against them.

 

[Saintman2884]

Eman, we're not the first franchise the NFL FO and it's commissioner have had this paranoia or this unfounded need to use us as scapegoats for all the NFL's image problems or problems in American culture and society.

Remember the old Oakland Raiders of the 1970s and early 80s? They were the NFL's most hated, most feared and yet most successful teams of their era, yet they always felt they were screwed, refs watched them maybe a little bit more then their opponents and the NFL FO and Pete Roselle were hypocritical when he and Chuck Noll called them "a criminal element pervasive in the NFL" after comments made by Noll after a 1976 Steelers loss to Oakland. Those comments resulted in Noll and Rozelle being sued for defamation of character by former Raiders DB George Atkinson and during the trial, Atkinson's lawyer showed how hypocritical Noll and Rozelle's claims were because Noll's Steelers and other teams were doing the same things they accused Oakland of.

I'm a Saints fan for life but my God guys, if there's one team, one organization that has us beat or can legimately claim it's been consistently forked by the NFL FO, various commissioners for nearly 4 decades, it's the Raiders organization. Whether it's been while there in Oakland, L.A., Oakland again or maybe once more in Las Vegas at some point, they've experienced it.

 

[Super44]

Everytime I see someone talking about Bountygate in this way I get excited, until I see it is by someone with Louisiana/Saints connections...

This travesty will never get the ill-attention it deserves and Roger Godell/NFL will never be held accountalbe for this until the rest of the nation brings up the same points. No matter how well we put the facts together, expose it as a witch hunt, it just looks like "more excuses from Saints fans"

This is just another collection of facts and proof that we were screwed that will go away just as fast as it was posted becuase the only people that will even acknowledge and rally behind it will be us Saints fans. And what will we do? Shake our fist at the screen, maybe post a few comments on a message board and go back to our normal lives.

I can't wait for the Sean Payton tell all book after he retires. Godell has to know it's coming. And I hope it's brutal.

Unfortunately though, for Payton, it will come across as whining to most fans of other teams. Most fans do not give one iota about it, one way or the other, even at this point, much less in another 5-10 years. And by then, many that were alive during the 2009-2012 NFL era, will be dead! And fir those still around, it will be; “Water under the bridge. Done. Kaput. Finished. Over. Forget about it”.

 

[WhoDat_SB44]

It also put a stain on our super bowl to an extent. I don’t know how many times on Twitter someone told me we cheated that year cause of bounygate

 

[Eman5805]

Eman,
Remember the old Oakland Raiders of the 1970s and early 80s?

Ah. I was born in 1987 so...no. But your post was informative nonetheless.

 

[sainthood]

People blame Goodell for Bounty Gate and rightfully so, but the Saints as an organization took one for the collective ownership group. They were all guilty and sacrificed the Saints to save themselves. Sean Payton took the worst of any individual in this sham of a reality. There is zero correlation between what the Saints were doing compared to other teams in terms of increased injuries by Saints opponents compared to other teams. People focus on our SuperBowl playoff run as some kind of example as soon to be retiring immobile Kurt Warner and Brett Favre took beatings. That is football and poor offensive line play for a statue in the backfield. Bounty Gate has always been a distraction, a fugazi to ignore the medical benefits the league refuses to pay and the conversations between every coach to players to stay in the game during the Steelers 1970s championship runs to James' Harrison's in the 2000's.

 

[insidejob]

The fact that every fan league-wide has now had multiple instances of proof that basically every team in the league had a bounty type program similar to or even worse than the Saints SINCE bountygate and still only singles out the Saints as the violators speaks for itself.

The league damn sure should investigate this and at the very least suspend Tomlin for the year Payton got "for not knowing but supposedly should have known" since Tomlin, personally, paid a player after (doesn't matter if it's FOR) knocking a player out of a game. The Saints had the least personal fouls over the bountygate time period but that meant nothing to the league. Tomlin is the same coach who got on the field to block a kickoff return against the Ravens that was being taken to the house a player running
down the sideline on national tv, isn't he?

Dude is a dirty coach. Sean may be a trash talker but he's never proven to be dirty. Tomlin has. They're the Steelers though. The Ancient Rooneys aren't going to take a hit over this.

 

[saint_drago]

Years down the road I hope they make a documentary about what really happened in this case. It's amazing to me that even after all these years most people still believe the NFL's initial narrative of the Saints being outlaws trying to hurt people. What the NFL did was shameful.