Are we really that far off from the top…. (1 Viewer)

I've never been convinced that DA was the only factor in the bad personnel decisions.
The words were, the same people that didn't have the vision to utilize Baun and Hendrickson are still running the show.. and that PERSON that didn't have the vision to scout his own team was Dennis Allen. Loomis has no say so in who starts and who gets playing time. Also, as you can tell by my avatar... I am 100% on board for firing Loomis. Because Loomis was on board for going after Watson then Carr instead of fixing the salary cap. Both Allen moves. I firmly believe he holds no one accountable because that was never something he had to do when Tom was around, and that was only held together by Payton after Tom passed away. But i've said all this 1000 times on this site.. I don't want to keep saying it.
 
I agree we are not as bad as we looked this season. Crippled and dysfunctional, for sure, but we should've been better than 5-12.

Not a popular opinion, but I dont blame it all on Loomis or Gayle. I agree with him that DA shouldnt have been fired mid-season. I can see it both ways, but i dont see where it really gained us anything. I mean we didnt use it to get a head start in our coach search or anything productive. I guess it was fun watching the Rizz get his shot.

Excuses are useless, but its hard to ignore how injuries ruined any chance this team had.

Missing for mosth of the season:, starting QB, both starting WRs, TE, center, and your do everything super weapon. Then ending the season without your star RB. And your backup is a developmemtal rookie who had to split reps with a developmental 2nd year QB. Name an offense that doesnt look like trash in that situation.

Defense disappointed, but id imagine the offensive struggles had some part in that. Eventually even a great defense wears down when theyre always on the field. And I would also its tough to give 100% when in your soul you know its useless. Your not going to win these games. Not to mention we lost adebo and our starting safety missed a ton of games.

I guess my take is that we really didnt even see our real team play ball much this year. Half the time i thought it was a preseason game on. I kept having to look up players numbers during games. Didnt recognize many names at times.

Can that be improved upon? Well, Id think it easily could. But i still think the roster is weak and thin.
 

This. And the pass catcher/offensive playmaker situation is way more dire than people are leading on.

Kamara is passing the 30 mark and has never been best utilized in a high volume role.

Olave’s concussion issues aren’t going away and I don’t think any of us are truly convinced he’s a #1.

I love Shaheed as a burner, but he’s not a volume guy.

We don’t have a runner to give 20+ a game to comfortably, or a receiver to pepper with 10+ targets if needed. Team needs offensive skill help in a bad way.
 
Yes, we are. The problem with the DC analogy is that they have been bad for years, which means they have been acquiring a bunch of high-draft picks for years. Chase Young was the third pick in the draft, and they have multiple first-round draft picks on their D line. The same could be said for the Niners and Falcons, losing bad before a good coach allowed them to acquire top draft picks. That's the downside of these 9-9 type seasons.
The main question now is, are we capable of winning on a couple of draft classes like 2017? Do you trust Mick to do that?
Young didn't play for them this yr. Only 2 of those 1st rd picks on the DL were their own picks. COACHING MATTERS , HEALTH MATTERS
 
The words were, the same people that didn't have the vision to utilize Baun and Hendrickson are still running the show.. and that PERSON that didn't have the vision to scout his own team was Dennis Allen. Loomis has no say so in who starts and who gets playing time. Also, as you can tell by my avatar... I am 100% on board for firing Loomis. Because Loomis was on board for going after Watson then Carr instead of fixing the salary cap. Both Allen moves. I firmly believe he holds no one accountable because that was never something he had to do when Tom was around, and that was only held together by Payton after Tom passed away. But i've said all this 1000 times on this site.. I don't want to keep saying it.
Dude. We know all that. Everyone knows all that.

The point of THIS thread is DESPITE all that……we are one play away from beating Philly and Washington when healthy.

Vs Wash we weren’t even healthy. Still one play away.

That’s the point of this thread.

We are very close to the top.
 
Dude. We know all that. Everyone knows all that.

The point of THIS thread is DESPITE all that……we are one play away from beating Philly and Washington when healthy.

Vs Wash we weren’t even healthy. Still one play away.

That’s the point of this thread.

We are very close to the top.
What is your point in this response to my response to the other guy? It just doesn't make sense.
 
Yep. Turnarounds happen quickly in today’s game.

I think there is a faction of people that believe unless you’re competing for a 14-3 type year, homefield advantage, and on the cusp of having a sustained dynasty juggernaut, you’re wasting your time and are doomed.
No thats not the case. People on this board dont believe you can compete for a super bowl unless you go get an elite QB. That's the problem, its not that we cant turn it around its that you cant without going to get a quarterback.
 
Dude. We know all that. Everyone knows all that.

The point of THIS thread is DESPITE all that……we are one play away from beating Philly and Washington when healthy.

Vs Wash we weren’t even healthy. Still one play away.

That’s the point of this thread.

We are very close to the top.

The Giants were 1 play away from beating the Commanders in both games they played, how close were they to the top?

The Bears were legitimately a Hail Mary away from beating the Commanders, how close were they?

The Falcons beat the Eagles, how close were they?

The Browns were one play away from beating the Eagles, how close were they?

You can’t equate almost winning a couple games with a consistent, full season. It doesn’t work and every team could do it.
 
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The reality is that majority of NFL games are one score games. Every team in the NFL can find some excuse as to why they aren't as bad as they seem to be if you nitpick hard enough. This Saints team's ceiling is 9-8 with the potential of being a 5-6 win team. We will not get out this range until we go find a dynamic QB.

Also, why most people are disheartened by the future is because our best players on the team are on their last leg and we do not have many young players who appear to be able to take their spot. Demario, Tyrann, Taysom, Carr, Cam.

No young player we have drafted is good enough to be a team leader and take that torch. Mccoy, Olave and Shaheed are the only 3 who appear to be stars. The rest of the roster of younger guys is average at best.
 
Young didn't play for them this yr. Only 2 of those 1st rd picks on the DL were their own picks. COACHING MATTERS , HEALTH MATTERS
Wow, I didn't know that :ROFLMAO: They traded two guys last year one to Chicago, (I think Sweat) one to San Fran (Young) and kept the guys the thought were best. You missed the main point as usual: losing teams acquired top-notch talent. That why I mentioned the Niners and Falcons (on offense).
 
The Giants were 1 play away from beating the Commanders in both games they played, how close were they to the top?

The Bears were legitimately a Hail Mary away from beating the Commanders, how close were they?

The Falcons beat the Eagles, how close were they?

The Browns were one play away from beating the Eagles, how close were they?

You can’t equate almost winning a couple games with a consistent, full season. It doesn’t work and every team could do it.
It means that they are all close.
 
For those saying we are not desirable. Aging players. Lack of talent. Meddling GM….all the things I keep reading on here.

It’s like if you post it enough, everyone believes it as it continues to pound them over the head.

But…….am I’m sure many will shoot this down…..but……

We played 3 of the Championship week teams. Went 0-3. But….lets look closer.

Eagles: Short of a leak out to Dallas Goebert for about 60 yards, we win that game.

Chiefs: A inexcusable missed PI (not missed, just not called), we are right there ready to tie/take lead late in the game.

Redskins: We are a 2pt conversion from our 5th round rookie QB from winning.

And that’s the best the league has to offer.

Bottom line, we aren’t THAT FAR OFF from the top.

Getting a new coach, a leader, AND NOT SUFFERING CRUSHING INJURIES …..and we absolutely can get back in a season.

We were a play or two away from the best the league has just a few months ago

I know, you are what your record says you are…..but when you really look, it’s not as far a gap as people like to say.
I actually agree with you, except I would say we WERE not that far from the top teams, not that we are now. Despite all of our rumblings about DA and Loomis and the salary cap, the crushing injuries will be what holds us down for a few years. I am assuming that Taysom and Shaheed will not be their old selves if they come back at all, Olave could call it quits, and I don't think our veterans on the OL are going to get back to their old selves. It will take a heck of a draft to the roster back to where it was in Sept 2024, and nothing short of a miracle off season to improve the roster over Sept 2024.
 
It means that they are all close.

Okay, so everyone at the bottom was still kind of close. Do you think the best players on this roster are going into their best years, or on the other side of their best years?

Because looking at the other worst teams with the idea that everyone is close, I would say they have more reason for optimism with much younger teams. Saints were 29th in average starter age on offense and defense, 2/3 above NO were playoff teams (the 3rd being Miami). All of the teams I named that almost/did win games against the NFCCG teams are younger.

The 3 youngest teams in the NFL (GB, TB, LAR) made the playoffs in the NFC. It’s fine to say, “we’re close” because of a couple games. But if you’re a betting man at all, other teams have much more reason for optimism. It’s not a death sentence, it’s just clear this roster has to have a major youth movement sooner, not later.
 

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