Are we saying goodbye to Reggie?... (2 Viewers)

[Bozzhawg318]

Hypocrisy?

If you are running the ball about 20 times, that is not force feeding. That's just football.

If you run the ball 30+ times, maybe you can argue you are forcing it, depending on the circumstances.

I don't care who get's the carries really.

We just don't have the kind of system that features a single player week in, week out.

As ofr PT, he has demonstrated that he is a better inside runner than Reggie. Without Ivory, who else is going to get those carries?

false, misinformed believe that PT is a better between the tackles runner, when actually reggie is... last year i created a spreadsheet that broke down where most of reggies successful runs came from and 80% came from b gap

 

[taydigga]

Agreed. Not in a while anyway. If you look at his numbers when he's getting 15 carries or more, he's a terror. I keep thinking about that Denver game in 2008 when he was lighting it up...he had like 25 touches that game. You could tell he was in his element. He needs that. You can't start players like him...

oops meant to say, you can't start players like him and then stop getting him touches...

 

[Cajun Chat]

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pointless thread!

pretty intelligent response.

 

[G&T]

He might, but the Saints are just not built to feature or force feed one player. It's about versatility and options, especially hwen you have a QB who is so good at spreading the ball around and and using the varied personnel.

If a player wants to be featured and force fed, he might need to consider another organization.

I totally agree. I'd only add that the reason we don't "forcefeed" players is because the core strategy our offense seems to be forcing defenders to play us honest/balanced and letting mis-matches pop out of that.

Nowadays, opponents are not respecting the run becuase they know PT will grind some yards be he's not a burner and Reggie has had 5 seasons of proof that he's not consistently effective coming out the backfield as a runner. So, the Falcons did what I'm surprised teams don't do every week...blitz the crude outta Brees who has proven that he'll toss a pick or two if you stay on him.

So, to stay true to the core strategy of keeping defneses honest (so that we can then exploit them), this team needs to evolve and I think Reggie's value as the X-factor has probably reached it's twilight.

The silver-lining is that Payton seems to GET it that having a pounder who can gash defenses for big gains like Ivory is a real asset. I think the lack of commitment to a running game in the past was always going to catch up with this team and thgame last night was a big old blueprint to the rest of the world courtesy of a arch division rival . Nobody (especially Payton) wants to see the prized QB harassed and possibly hurt on these all-game-long, 5 alarm blitzes.

In a lot of ways, Reggie has been as much a part of this offenses's DNA as Drew Brees during the Payton era but I think the time has probably come to evolve. You see the Patriots do it and thrive...and even the Colts. The good teams have to becasue everybody is gunning for you.

i just hope the emergence of a back like Ivory has truly opened Coach's eyes to teh value of a smash-mouth running game...becuase this offense would be all-world if we actually forced defenders to load up the box.

 

[blackadder]

Wait a minute, in one post you said you want to see Reggie run straight ahead. Well they should give him carries where he runs straight ahead. I don't deny that PT is good at running between the tackles but Reggie had several runs last year where he proved he can run in between the tackles as well, with decent proficiency.

But now it's "who else is going to get those carries?" Why not put a fullback in front of Reggie, just like they did last year, and let him run? They never do that. And it's not because he's not good at it because last year he proved he was.

Take the scheme up with the coach.

Reggie has had some good inside runs, but it just seems like PT is more efficient and consistent there. Neither are true inside runners though.

Maybe things would be different if Reggie would get 25 carries a game. In this offense, we are never going to know.

Hell, we can't even be sure that we will run the ball even 20 times IN TOTAL in a given week, let alone have one back get 20 carries.

 

[Cuozzo67]

Use him on kickoff returns against the Bucs, and let's see what he can do.

Reggie's done great things in the community, and that should be acknowledged. He just hasn't produced on the field. He's had his chances, and the results speak for themselves. Let's focus on the Bucs and the playoffs. If Reggie plays like he did against the Cards last season, he might be back in 2011. If not, let's wish him well if he signs with another club. It's a team game. Right now, PT and Ivory are more productive backs. Payton plays the best players, period.

Let's revisit this in about 6 weeks, and focus on the Bucs.

 

[Cajun Chat]

When Reggie got hit in the backfield on the ONE rushing attempt he got, no one seems to be yelling at (can't think of who whiffed on the block) for just diving at nothing but air. No, all we see is "#25, loss of yards, must be his fault".

But when he picked up the blitz on that long pass to Meachem, no one says anything. I'm not saying he deserves $11 million a year for that, he's just doing his job, but it's time we take him off the dartboard.

Two things:

1 - Reggie has been given chances time and time again. He makes negative plays in the run game too often. He rarely breaks tackles, unlike PT and Ivory. He is special with an open field/in space.

2 - His blitz pick ups seemed to have improved. That was a great block for the Meachem pass. DB did tell him where the pressure was coming from.

 

[GoldRush26]

Take the scheme up with the coach.

Reggie has has some good inside runs, but it just seems like PT is more efficient there. Neither are true inside runners though.

Maybe things would be different if Reggie would get 25 carries a game. In this offense, we are never going to know.

Hell, we can't even be sure that we will run the ball even 20 times IN TOTAL in a given week, let alone have one back get 20 carries.

I'm not saying give him 25 carries. But more than 1 is reasonable I think. I don't know why he's being held to a different standard. We all agree that PT needs a few carries to get established. Reggie needs a few to get established as well, and 1 or 4 isn't going to cut it.

 

[taydigga]

Two things:

1 - Reggie has been given chances time and time again. He makes negative plays in the run game too often. He rarely breaks tackles, unlike PT and Ivory. He is special with an open field/in space.

2 - His blitz pick ups seemed to have improved. That was a great block for the Meachem pass. DB did tell him where the pressure was coming from.

Perfect example of the dissonance right there, "DB did tell him where it's coming from..."

 

[GoldRush26]

Perfect example of the dissonance right there, "DB did tell him where it's coming from..."

As if Drew Brees has to tell Reggie who to block because he's inept. Drew Brees (and any other QB) directs all of the RBs on who they should be blocking if they are audibled to block. That's part of the audible.

 

[taydigga]

As if Drew Brees has to tell Reggie who to block because he's inept. Drew Brees (and any other QB) directs all of the RBs on who they should be blocking if they are audibled to block. That's part of the audible.

Right! I mean cut the guy a break for heavens sake!

 

[DownWithDisease]

The Bottom line is... Reggie Bush is not worth 11mil.$ next season. He either re-structures and stays (which is what I hope for), or he's gone. PERIOD.

I'm more concerned with losing PT, and at this point, I think he's a goner.

 

[halifaxer12]

Between Ivory, Reggie, and PT, one of them is going to go. I just don't see why Reggie should be the one, because he is the most explosive big play maker out of those 3. PT is a solid runner and can make some plays when he is given a screen and good run blocking, but Bush is a threat anywhere on the field. If you give him a run between the tackles he will be faster and close more distance. I remember seeing him gaining 1st downs on 1 carry when he ran up the middle and there was solid blocking. He can be a receiver and catch passes underneath the zone defense and make big plays there, on screens, and on go or wheels routes like he did on Urlacher in the NFC championship game which was what kept us in the game. He kept us in the game against the vikings with those PR returns for TDs.

He singlehandedly has the ability to keep us in any game (like Devin Hester), can you say that about Ivory or PT? I am not saying they are not great players, because they are. But I don't see Ivory or PT having that kind of special ability...sure they can make big runs and break tackles but Reggie has that ability to make everyone "hold their breath" when he is given the ball. He can also act as a decoy on offense unlike PT and Ivory. The Bears haven't traded Hester because they know he can change the game at any moment, and that's what I believe is the same case with Bush. I think people are kind of brushing him off because he hasn't played much this season and have forgotten how much he adds to this offense. I don't know what you all think, but I'd much rather see PT or Ivory go then Bush. He may not be worth 11 mill, but he doesn't deserve a budget cut IMO.

 

[GoldRush26]

The Bottom line is... Reggie Bush is not worth 11mil.$ next season. He either re-structures and stays (which is what I hope for), or he's gone. PERIOD.

I'm more concerned with losing PT, and at this point, I think he's a goner.

This is really beating a dead horse. No running back is making $11 million dollars a year so we all know Reggie isn't going to be making that. And there's nothing he could've done this year that would've justified $11 million dollars.

 

[RajCaj80]

I seriously doubt Payton is "phasing" Reggie out the offense because he feels Reggie won't be there next year. Payton is going to use whats available to him.

I think Payton is just being causious with him. We are going to need something that a lot of teams don't have film on for our post season run.....my guess is its Reggie.

And you guys need to stop looking at his role as a "distraction" as something so negative. If Reggie being on the field means that a linebacker can't cover a TE or a Safety can't double team Meachem or Colston.....then credit Reggie with the assist. Does his current contract justify his role as a part time RB, part time single / favorable coverage matchup maker.....probably not. But that doesn't mean the guy isn't valuable to the team. It doesn't mean that Julius Jones can step in and replace his role.