Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (18 Viewers)

[Optimistic Ozzy]

I'm not explaining anything.

I already said it isn't worth fighting about anymore. There isn't anything you can say that is going to change what I think about it, and i don't care what you think.

Because there is no explaining. I'm no threat to anyone because I'm not vaxed. Period.

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

because that thought process is what prolonged the pandemic.

I'm sure you have "scientific" proof....................

 

[DaveXA]

Because there is no explaining. I'm no threat to anyone because I'm not vaxed. Period.

Regardless what you think, this is just short-sighted and not true. But like is said earlier, it's your choice and your health. I wouldn't want to have that on my conscience. I'd rather be considerate of the people I come in contact with.

 

[Hoodoo]

That's simply not entirely true. The C19 doesn't prevent transmission directly, no, but it does make transmission less likely because it's less likely a vaccinated person will be severely sick and less likely to be sick and contagious for a longer period of time.

Asymptotic individuals still can be contagious, but typically not as much so as those who exhibit symptoms.

"That's simply not entirely true."

Actually yes, what I posted, without all your additions, is entirely true. I know it wasn't intentional, but your wording seems suspect. It's as if you REALLY wanted to say "that's simply not true."

Using your logic (and mine actually), not having the C19 shot makes it less likely an infected person would be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to infect others. Thats fine, I agree that hes more likely to be symptomatic and that symptomatic people are more likely to spread. The problem with that it's not the argument I was refuting when I posted that. Furthermore its making a big and unfair assumption that the symptomatic is being irresponsible by being around others.

Again, I repeat, getting the shot makes you no less likely to be a potential carrier and it makes you MORE likely to be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to be around people. We can argue all day long which is more of a threat, a symptomatic person or an asymptomatic person, but that factor completely hinges on the responsibility of the symptomatic person. I know that if I see someone that is obviously sick, I'm steering clear of that person and taking extra precautions against getting sick myself.

 

[faceman]

..........The study examined the deaths of 538,139 people 25 years and older in Florida and Ohio, between January 2018 and December 2021, with researchers linking them to party registration records. Researchers found the excess death rate for Republicans and Democrats was about the same at the start of the pandemic in March 2020.


Both parties experienced a sharp but similar increase in excess deaths the following winter. But after April 2021, the gap in excess death rates emerged, with the rate for Republicans 7.7 percentage points higher than the rate for Democrats. For Republicans, that translated into a 43 percent increase in excess deaths.


Researchers said the gap in excess death rates was larger in counties with lower vaccination rates, and noted that the gap was primarily driven by voters in Ohio.

The results suggest that differences in vaccination attitudes and the uptake among Republican and Democratic voters “may have been factors in the severity and trajectory of the pandemic” in the United States…….

Stephen R. Neely, a professor at USF’s School of Public Affairs who conducted the survey, said the Yale study was important because it highlighted how sharply partisanship over coronavirus vaccine safety and efficacy has led to unnecessary deaths.

“It’s one of the most telling metrics I’ve seen in how the politicization of the pandemic has played out in the real world,” Neely said……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2023/07/24/covid-vaccines-republicans-deaths/

I think this is the saddest of all about the pandemic. So many people chose not to get vaccinated based on their political leanings. The 4 friends I lost to Delta were among those. That said, I also believe this would be best debated on MAP.

 

[Hoodoo]

If you say so.

That's not what i said. Not having the vax makes it more likely to be symptomatic, period.

Symptomatic people are more likely to spread the virus, yes.

Symptomatic people are being irresponsible by being around others. That'spretty obvious.

Getting the vax doesn't make you more symptomatic. That's a bald faced lie.

Symptomatic people should be smart enough to avoid contact with other people until they're no longer contagious. That's pretty obvious. Asymptomatic is more tricky, but all things being equal, a vaccinated asymptomatic individual will be less contagious than an unvaccinated one.

Please read my edit, then respond. In my haste, I misworded a portion.

 

[DaveXA]

Please read my edit, then respond. In my haste, I misworded a portion.

I deleted my post. Will read yours again.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Eh, that bridge was crossed long before that article was written. That said, I'd agree it belongs on the MAP site.

I did post it on MAP, only put here is response to asking for proof that being unvaccinated caused more deaths, and the article doesn't say but it stand to reason that more deaths also equals more people seriously ill who didn't die

Unfortunately (or unavoidably) politics is a major factor in that difference.

But please delete if it crosses the line

 

[DaveXA]

"That's simply not entirely true."

Actually yes, what I posted, without all your additions, is entirely true. I know it wasn't intentional, but your wording seems suspect. It's as if you REALLY wanted to say "that's simply not true."

If you say so.

Using your logic (and mine actually), not having the C19 shot makes it less likely an infected person would be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to infect others.

How? I'm not understanding your logic here. C19 does 2 things primarily, it reduces severity of cases and reduces mortality. If your case is less severe, you'll be less contagious and less likely to give it to someone else. I'm not sure that asymptomatic cases are directly affected by the vaccine. I don't recall reading anything on the vax and correlation to asymptomatic cases. Maybe someone else here can address that.

Thats fine, I agree that hes more likely to be symptomatic and that symptomatic people are more likely to spread. The problem with that it's not the argument I was refuting when I posted that. Furthermore its making a big and unfair assumption that the symptomatic is being irresponsible by being around others.

Regardless of your situation, being around other people while still contagious is clearly irresponsible.

Again, I repeat, getting the shot makes you no less likely to be a potential carrier and it makes you MORE likely to be asymptomatic and therefore more likely to be around people.

I don't think there's any evidence that the shot makes you more likely to be asymptomatic. I'd have to see research on that before declaring it one way or the other. Getting the shot does reduce the severity anf mortality of cases, and that's enough reason for me to get it.

We can argue all day long which is more of a threat, a symptomatic person or an asymptomatic person, but that factor completely hinges on the responsibility of the symptomatic person. I know that if I see someone that is obviously sick, I'm steering clear of that person and taking extra precautions against getting sick myself.

Symptomatic people are clearly more contagious than asymptomatic. And symptomatic people usually are smart enough to stay home until they're no longer contagious. Asymptomatic people won't know they're "sick" and will more likely be around people, potentially spreading the virus. Both has it's own issues to consider.

 

[DaveXA]

I did post it on MAP, only put here is response to asking for proof that being unvaccinated caused more deaths, and the article doesn't say but it stand to reason that more deaths also equals more people seriously ill who didn't die

Unfortunately (or unavoidably) politics is a major factor in that difference.

But please delete if it crosses the line

I'll just go ahead and delete and redirect that conversation to MAP. We're already treading enough water as it is.

 

[Sailorsaint]

You left out "If you get the vax, YOU WILL NOT CONTRACT COVID, NOR CAN YOU SPREAD COVID".
That's when I decided not to get the vax, because I knew that was BS the POTUS was spewing.

I also heard the earth is flat, but we all believe what we want to believe. I hope you continue to be lucky and not contract Covid, if not for your sake, then the sake of your loved ones.

 

[Optimus Prime]

My girlfriend has a coworker and close friend who was very much in the anti vax misinformation camp

What turned her around was when she had to take her son to the doctor for something (not covid related) and noticed in his health records that he had already had quite a few vaccinations against quite a few things, and she realized that she never questioned a single one of the other shots

The doctor said 'your son needs this shot to protect against this disease' and she said okay, and never felt like a sheep for doing so, never felt like she ever had to 'do her own research', never questioned the efficacy of the shot, never questioned the validity or seriousness of the disease the shot was for, never questioned the motives of the doctors recommending the vaccine, never questioned the profit motives of the drug companies making the vaccine

She then thought about why she was questioning the covid vaccine so much

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I'm sure you have "scientific" proof....................

its everywhere if you take time to read other than biased youtubers... But we all know the saying, you can lead a horse to water.......

Had to EDIT..sorry..

 

[Optimus Prime]

its everywhere if you take time to read unbiased youtubers... But we all know the saying, you can lead a horse to water.......

and we've learned that sometimes you can't even lead a horse to water, sometimes it stays rooted where it is like a stubburn arse mule