Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered?

[bigdaddysaints]

I will compromise with you where passengers are concerned. It's very important that they be strapped in to prevent accidents. The driver needs to wear a seat belt to be able to insist that the passengers also wear seat belts.

The law rightfully takes that into account and insists that all in a car must wear seat belts.

i can only speak for myself, but i have no doubt when that guy plowed into the back of me, if i wasn't wearing my seatbelt, i would have been like a pinball between the headrest and the steering wheel, and i guantee i would not have been able to keep on that brake not to be pushed into the car in front of me.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I get where you are coming from, but there is a healthy distrust of government. Saying "This Vaccine" doesn't slow the spread... is not the same as saying no vaccines do.

I know a LOT of very educated and intelligent people who are completely suspicious about all things COVID (including the vaccine)

there is a difference in a healthy distrust in gov't saying stuff and a blantant i'm not doing because Biden said...

 

[Optimus Prime]

thread is getting too political. there is a whole covid thread on MAP

 

[DaveXA]

Don't assume. There were no studies saying it would prevent contraction or the spread.

This is a mischaraterization of what the vax is supposed to do. There have been numerous studies showing a clear correlation between vaccinations and reducing the severity and mortality of the virus. And it's really not debateable in that respect.

But when the Buffoon spewed it out, I knew it was BS.
That just solidified it for me.

If you're basing it on what a political leader said, I'd argue that's a terrible way to make decisions about health. That should be determine by you and your doctor.

You see, it should have always been a voluntary thing, not a shaming thing. Some people just can't admit that and double down.

The question is how do you get the most people to do what's best for the welfare of as many people as possible without feeling like people are being forced to? Public health is important, but there are too many conspiracy theories out there trying to convince people that the government is trying to kill us with vaccines, which has always been rather absurd.

 

[SaintRob]

You left out "If you get the vax, YOU WILL NOT CONTRACT COVID, NOR CAN YOU SPREAD COVID".
That's when I decided not to get the vax, because I knew that was BS the POTUS was spewing.

From what I've read, even being vaccinated for diseases like Polio, it is possible to contract it and spread it. It's when there is herd immunity through vaccination, that even when it is contracted or passed, the immune system knows about it and protects against paralysis. Vaccinated individuals contracting polio leads to no symptoms (or mild gastro symptoms), but the ability to spread to unvaccinated individuals.

I'm not condemning you nor commending you on not getting vaccinated. I'm only pointing out that vaccines don't create a forcefield around you that keep you from contracting or spreading disease. They increase the likelihood of herd immunity by making the immune system aware and therefore reduce spread and reduce the likelihood of the worst outcomes.

I personally don't remember messaging that said if you get the Covid Vaccine that you can't get or spread it, but instead that it would reduce symptoms and spread while increasing herd immunity. I remember specifically hearing that if herd immunity was not achieved, that the vaccines would be far less effective in reducing spread, but that those vaccinated would be more protected against the worst effects.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

From what I've read, even being vaccinated for diseases like Polio, it is possible to contract it and spread it. It's when there is herd immunity through vaccination, that even when it is contracted or passed, the immune system knows about it and protects against paralysis. Vaccinated individuals contracting polio leads to no symptoms (or mild gastro symptoms), but the ability to spread to unvaccinated individuals.

I'm not condemning you nor commending you on not getting vaccinated. I'm only pointing out that vaccines don't create a forcefield around you that keep you from contracting or spreading disease. They increase the likelihood of herd immunity by making the immune system aware and therefore reduce spread and reduce the likelihood of the worst outcomes.

I personally don't remember messaging that said if you get the Covid Vaccine that you can't get or spread it, but instead that it would reduce symptoms and spread while increasing herd immunity. I remember specifically hearing that if herd immunity was not achieved, that the vaccines would be far less effective in reducing spread, but that those vaccinated would be more protected against the worst effects.

Biden and the Admin did say that at first, but QUICKLY walked it back because they knew they weren't right.. But the Anti Vxxers grabbed a hold of that and never let go...

 

[nolaspe]

"As promised, U.S. health officials are devising a plan to update the booster vaccine for the fall to better protect against emerging variants of the coronavirus. The rationale for this new formulation is strong — especially if it’s targeted for high-risk Americans.

Advisers to the Food and Drug Administration voted unanimously this month in favor of the updated shot. Instead of the bivalent booster, which targets both the original coronavirus strain as well as two omicron subvariants (BA. 4 and BA. 5), the updated one will be specific to just one variant: the omicron offshoot XBB.1.5.

This is the right call. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that XBB subvariants constitute more than 95 percent of the circulating variants. While XBB.1.5 is on the decline, two other XBB derivatives are accelerating. Federal health officials project that XBB.1.16 will be dominant by the fall and other sub-lineages such as XBB.2.3 will increase in proportion."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/27/covid-updated-booster-vaccine-xbb-fall/

Who is getting their XBB shot?

Me...

 

[Brandon13]

Biden and the Admin did say that at first, but QUICKLY walked it back because they knew they weren't right.. But the Anti Vxxers grabbed a hold of that and never let go...

I don't recall how quickly they walked it back to be honest, was it well prior to it becoming known that vaccinated individuals were testing positive again? Regardless, they should have just leveled with the public from the get-go and told us it was essentially going to work the same as the flu shot in that regard. And in my opinion by not doing so they gave something tangible for the anti-vaxers and co. to latch onto there.

 

[SWJJ]

I meant Healthy as in there is a fair amount of it, not as meaning it is good for your health.

 

[brandon8283]

Wearing a seatbelt around the outside of my body is QUITE different than injecting something I'm hesitant about.
I think the jab is a choice. I don't think someone is "stupid" for getting the jab, just like I don't think someone is stupid for not getting it.
But I do remember this STUPID accusation: "You're selfish, you could kill someone by spreading since you haven't been vaccinated. If you get the vax and booster, you'll stop it in it's tracks and can't spread it". I recall that vividly. How STUPID were those accusations?

The vaccine was originally formulated for the original 2019 COVID variant. For that particular variant, it was likely completely true that if you got the vaccine, you were going to be essentially immune to it, and thus you wouldn’t spread it (because you wouldn’t have any symptoms of it, like coughing and sneezing, because the vaccine would keep you from getting sick).

The problem was, by the time the vaccine made it to the general public, we were already on variants on which the original vaccine was not as effective. So the vaccine, while still good at keeping you out of the hospital, was not good enough at keeping you from getting some symptoms, which did allow you to spread.

It’s not the fault of the vaccine. It’s the fault of the people who couldn’t be bothered to wear a mask during the waves to keep the spread down, which allowed for mutations, which rendered the vaccine less effective than it should have been.

So he would have lived if he got the vax? Like the guy I knew that got the vax and was healthy, got Covid and died?
But I am glad you said it's "your life and health" At least you're not like the nimrods who said "you're selfish and will kill someone" if you don't get the vax.

There was very much a time where you not getting the vax was selfish to the point that you could kill someone.

I know someone who literally killed her own mother because she didn’t get the vaccine, got Covid, and spread it to her mom, who had a medical condition that rendered her ineligible for the vaccine.

That’s real life, bud. That happened all over the world.

Don't assume. There were no studies saying it would prevent contraction or the spread. But when the Buffoon spewed it out, I knew it was BS.
That just solidified it for me.
You see, it should have always been a voluntary thing, not a shaming thing. Some people just can't admit that and double down.

What does any of this have to do with your decision not to get the vaccine today?

 

[SamAndreas]

thread is getting too political. there is a whole covid thread on MAP

I don't recall how quickly they walked it back to be honest, was it well prior to it becoming known that vaccinated individuals were testing positive again? Regardless, they should have just leveled with the public from the get-go and told us it was essentially going to work the same as the flu shot in that regard. And in my opinion by not doing so they gave something tangible for the anti-vaxers and co. to latch onto there.

I suppose it is good that this is being brought up.

What I remember actually happening is the Administration was quoted out of context, so often, on certain political talk shows, that they are now long after the fact being held responsible for what certain political operatives actually did.

 

[Brandon13]

I suppose it is good that this is being brought up.

What I remember actually happening is the Administration was quoted out of context, so often, on certain political talk shows, that they are now long after the fact being held responsible for what certain political operatives actually did.

That's possible and I'm quite sure there were political talk shows taking things out of context.. but I personally do not watch those sorts of talk shows and I do remember at least thinking at the time that this wasn't quite what was sold to us when vaccinated individuals began testing positive.

That said, it's been a while now and without doing some research I can't say for certain exactly how it played out.

 

[Eeyore]

The other guy said to drink bleach and use UV lights internally. maybe we should have all listen to him instead...

Am I wrong in my memory that the POTUS at the time that the vaccine was released and the guy who recommended drinking bleach and shoving uv lightbulbs in your nethers are the same guy? That vaccine was released in 2020.

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Am I wrong in my memory that the POTUS at the time that the vaccine was released and the guy who recommended drinking bleach and shoving uv lightbulbs in your nethers are the same guy? That vaccine was released in 2020.

I think maybe 3 weeks before he was out. he had already lost the election by then so it became a point of conspiracy at that point.