Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (10 Viewers)

[kcirdor]

Vaccines have never claimed to prevent 100%. The goal is herd immunity to keep it from spreading

Herd immunity can be attained without vaccines. In fact virologists were dismissed and censored for suggesting that introducing a vaccine in the middle of an active pandemic would proliferate variants and make it impossible to target.

I get that.. but they had to know the virus was going to mutate right? And therefore it would probably look more like a situation akin to the flu vaccine than the polio one.

They leaned into the public's ignorance until, like you said, the wave of infections started hitting vaccinated individuals.

It was known, it was censored.


PS: I am vaccinated so miss me on antivax claims....

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Ivermectin is now available over the counter. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

 

[kcirdor]

This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Ivermectin is now available over the counter. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who.

But that's only for the idiots that ignored the fact that Roe Jogan is in peak physical condition and listed 10 other pseudo medications/treatments and CNN only focused on Ivermectin because saying Horse meds generated enough clicks/views to be able to sell more ad space to Pharma companies. So we dunk on the 4000 people stupid enough to take a daily dose of Ivermectin as if they actually matter.


Which in turn created a monster that helped mobilize an entire generation of..... well all that Horse med nonsense is a catalyst for who we have as president currently.... and I'll stop there cause TOS.

 

[St. Widge]

Herd immunity can be attained without vaccines. In fact virologists were dismissed and censored for suggesting that introducing a vaccine in the middle of an active pandemic would proliferate variants and make it impossible to target.


It was known, it was censored.


PS: I am vaccinated so miss me on antivax claims....

If they censored information that the COVID vaccine would be like the flu vaccine where you have to get booster shots every so often for new strains, they did a poor job of it because I knew it and I'm just your average everyday arborist.

 

[kcirdor]

If they censored information that the COVID vaccine would be like the flu vaccine where you have to get booster shots every so often for new strains, they did a poor job of it because I knew it and I'm just your average everyday arborist.

The censored the virologist's warning about introducing a vaccine in the middle of an active pandemic causing a proliferation of variants which is not what you are responding to...

 

[faceman]

The censored the virologist's warning about introducing a vaccine in the middle of an active pandemic causing a proliferation of variants which is not what you are responding to...

CDC says the vaccine didn't cause new variants. Call me naive, but I believe them.

Myths & Facts About COVID-19 Vaccines

Get the facts on COVID-19 vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

The main reason we were able to eradicate smallpox was the virus did not morph into new variants like Covid.
Covid was a novel virus. That simply means the medical profession has never seen a virus like it before

 

[kcirdor]

CDC says the vaccine didn't cause new variants. Call me naive, but I believe them.

Myths & Facts About COVID-19 Vaccines

Get the facts on COVID-19 vaccines.

www.cdc.gov

The main reason we were able to eradicate smallpox was the virus did not morph into new variants like Covid.
Covid was a novel virus. That simply means the medical profession has never seen a virus like it before

Comparing Smallpox to covid is pointless as they are nothing alike; virus all the way to vaccine. What is the point of comparing small pox with covid?

Your link is for the current state of the world..... the warnings were for introducing a vaccine during an active pandemic.... currently there is no active pandemic.

 

[faceman]

Comparing Smallpox to covid is pointless as they are nothing alike; virus all the way to vaccine. What is the point of comparing small pox with covid?

Your link is for the current state of the world..... the warnings were for introducing a vaccine during an active pandemic.... currently there is no active pandemic.

When should the vaccine have been released? after it ran it's course and many more people died?

I know smallpox is a different virus. The point was the vaccine for it was released when it was still killing
people.

 

[kcirdor]

When should the vaccine have been released? after it ran it's course and many more people died?

I know smallpox is a different virus. The point was the vaccine for it was released when it was still killing
people.

Smallpox was thousands of years old, and only spread through touch in a world with far fewer people than we have today.... and pretty much wasn't a major issue after we stopped walking around on streets covered in horse manure and sewage. Small pox had the benefit of hygiene and limited mobility to help eradicate it.... well until the next extreme antivax wave hits which will probably never happen.(Doom impending because I said never)

Covid was airborne so the only way to prevent transmission was to hibernate... Covid was also man made(for shiggles). Deaths from Covid took a steep decline after we learned not to put people on ventilators and learned how to treat people with it. So yes, we probably could have waited to introduce the vaccine as more and more people joined the HERD immunity of having it already.


Anyway.... comparing Small pox with covid is POINTLESS.

 

[cpg]

So, yes, the COVID vaccine is still very much a thing in the medical field. Anyone saying otherwise is probably not in the medical field. And I'm not saying that to be glib or snippy, it's just a very frequent thing.

The CDC also loves to play with wording. Saying the vaccine "didn't cause" variants is a bit disingenuous simply because it's entirely unprovable. You would have to control for a countless amount of variables to even begin to test that. Their messaging here seems to relate to the fact that alpha-omicron variants emerged in predominantly unvaccinated populations in the early stages of the pandemic. Later variants and subvariants almost certainly emerged as a result of immune pressure influenced by the vaccine. That's just how viruses evolve.

Ivermectin is an excellent drug, with an extremely safe profile. Arguably safer than Acetaminphen and Ibuprofen. However, it's an antiparasitic. I have no problem with it being designated as an OTC medication assuming it is used for the purposes it was compounded. People on both sides of this are so obviously ideologically motivated, and the vast majority haven't the foggiest idea of the issues they are creating. There are people who are refusing to take it to treat a horrible strongyloidiasis infection because the news told them it was a livestock medication, and you have people asking if it will cure their ALS because they heard it was a wonder drug. Both sides are equally dumb and both have likely lead to human casualties because of their dumb arse messaging.

 

[kcirdor]

certainly emerged as a result of immune pressure influenced by the vaccine. That's just how viruses evolve

Thank you. Me not so stooooopid, afterall.

 

[SamAndreas]

I'm really not sure what you are looking for. I have stated that I believe that it helped our immune systems and saved lives....especially those at higher risk. I have stated that I decided to get it despite the fact that I had a major reason to be more hesitant than most and I certainly don't regret it.

That was my opinion at the time I made the choice. As I have decided that (in my particular case) the benefits don't outweigh the potential risk, I haven't much kept up with it as much. From what I understand, the current strain(s) of covid aren't nearly as severe as the original ones which also factored in my decision seeing how the flu currently kills a higher rate of people than covid. To be fair, there are potential variables that could be skewing that number such as vaccination rates and maybe this year's flu is especially bad but honestly I am not looking to put the time or effort into researching that seeing how it wouldn't change my personal choice for the previously mentioned reasons. Since I lost 120 pounds, got rid of most processed foods from my diet, and started taking ashwghanda daily I very rarely get sick and on the rare occasions I do, I am over it in a day or two.

Flu deaths may have surpassed COVID deaths nationwide for first time since start of pandemic, early CDC data suggests

CBS News For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, more people in the U.S. died of influenza than from COVID-19 in the week ending on Jan. 25, according to weekly figures published by…

www.unmc.edu

Flu deaths may have surpassed COVID deaths nationwide for first time since start of pandemic, early CDC data suggests

Influenza trends have reached record highs in recent weeks.

www.cbsnews.com

Does that help?

I'm still wearing my mask when I'm around and about town. I don't plan to stop wearing them for as long as I live.

Five years now with no infectious disease illnesses at all. Not just me, the whole family hasn't been sick.

Masks are ideal for the older at risk population.


Ashwghanda looks kind of like horseradish. Does it taste kind of like horseradish?

 

[Dago]

I'm still wearing my mask when I'm around and about town. I don't plan to stop wearing them for as long as I live.

Five years now with no infectious disease illnesses at all. Not just me, the whole family hasn't been sick.

Masks are ideal for the older at risk population.


Ashwghanda looks kind of like horseradish.

Completely support you on what works for you. The only thing I will say is that ashwaghanda has been tested by the US, UK, Japan, and India and all results have shown that it is effective with covid. For someone that has to worry about vaccines that is plenty for me. It seems a little short sighted to me to dismiss something that has been tested and approved by multiple countries but if what you are doing is working, have at it

 

[Arathrael]

The CDC also loves to play with wording. Saying the vaccine "didn't cause" variants is a bit disingenuous simply because it's entirely unprovable. You would have to control for a countless amount of variables to even begin to test that. Their messaging here seems to relate to the fact that alpha-omicron variants emerged in predominantly unvaccinated populations in the early stages of the pandemic. Later variants and subvariants almost certainly emerged as a result of immune pressure influenced by the vaccine. That's just how viruses evolve.

I think it's a bit more complex than that, since the impact of a vaccine in terms of spread and further mutation of a virus depends not only on the nature of the vaccine, but also the nature of the virus.

So, here, as you say we obviously had mutations emerging before vaccination. Can't blame vaccination for those, OK. But in terms of subsequent immune pressure, we'd have had that regardless of vaccination, because while a significant number of people were dying, people were mostly surviving and retaining some immunity, which would have favoured mutations that escaped that regardless of whether they had that immunity though infection or vaccination.

So you could, as you do, suggest that vaccination influenced later variants, but it's more of a stretch to suggest that, as is being argued, virologists claimed it "would proliferate variants and make it impossible to target" (incidentally, if anyone has a citation for that, would like to see it; had a quick look, couldn't find anything, maybe the 'censorship' was just that good...). Variants would have been developing regardless. And there are multiple factors involved; contrarily, by somewhat reducing transmission (the vaccines are not sterilising, but were shown to reduce the risk of infection particularly in the weeks after vaccination, which necessarily reduces transmission, as you can't transmit something if you're not infected with it), vaccination helped to reduce the rate of transmission and reduced the rate of opportunities for mutation accordingly.

The only sense in which that argument could really be made is of the use of vaccination as an alternative to total lockdown to target elimination, as in New Zealand, for example. But that wasn't happening generally.

There are other instances where vaccination might be counter-productive in that sense; for example, if you have a highly lethal virus that normally kills its host rapidly with its spread being limited accordingly, and you have a vaccine that protects the host, but doesn't prevent infection and transmission, vaccination could lead to significantly greater spread and transmission and increase opportunities for mutation. But that's not really applicable here.

So ultimately, the realistic scenarios here were Covid spreading with or without vaccination; we'd have continued to have immune-escaping variants in both scenarios, but a lot more dead people in the latter.