Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (9 Viewers)

[Dago]

do you think the over 80% of the population that got the vaccine helped put down the main threat of covid with extememly less deaths? and do you think we would have been better off with no one taking the vaccine?

Do I think it was net positive? Of course. I definitely believe it helps the body's immune response

However, I do think that potential side effects were downplayed and that the narrative that was pushed saying it would stop 97% of transmission (which is eradication) was absolutely ridiculous if someone knows anything about coronaviruses in general.

Every time I say that, I get bashed by both sides which I also think is ridiculous. It's ridiculous to latch onto those things in order to ignore the net benefit and it's ridiculous to bash someone for pointing out legitimate criticism while still acknowledging that it was a net positive to the point that I made the decision to get it despite my heightened risk. The Penn and Teller skit pretty much sums up my opinion on it

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Do I think it was net positive? Of course. I definitely believe it helps the body's immune response

However, I do think that potential side effects were downplayed and that the narrative that was pushed saying it would stop 97% of transmission (which is eradication) was absolutely ridiculous if someone knows anything about coronaviruses in general.

Every time I say that, I get bashed by both sides which I also think is ridiculous. It's ridiculous to latch onto those things in order to ignore the net benefit and it's ridiculous to bash someone for pointing out legitimate criticism while still acknowledging that it was a net positive to the point that I made the decision to get it despite my heightened risk. The Penn and Teller skit pretty much sums up my opinion on it

not sure what you mean by net positive.
do you think that if no vaccine was created, the deaths and lasting effects of covid would just slightly more than what was prevented and effects caused by the vaccine?

 

[faceman]

I hate everything about the conversation surrounding this. Conversations concerning health are turning tribal where you have to take a black/white position. Using Ivermectin as an antiviral, especially without any other treatments at the time was not a stretch. There were even early studies that stated Ivermectin was effective, but these were in vitro tests. In vivo tests yielded that any sort of effectiveness could require 100x dosages of the in vitro tests. Throw in potential bias into some of the initial tests and the appropriate doubt was placed on Ivermectin as a treatment/prophylactic for Covid.

But that's not how we roll now. "It's the cure!". "It's horse medicine!". Finger pointing and stupidity accusations everywhere...

I get it. Should we drink bleach? Should I aim my hair dryer up nose at full blast? These were considered by some and even mentioned by our President at the time.

Similar nonsense about Vitamin D. The conversations concerning Vitamin D at the beginning of Covid were being raised by ER docs on twitter. Docs were noting that the people that are doing the worst with Covid (ventilators, death, etc) were Vitamin D deficient (< 30). Covid was just new to everyone and Twitter was an effective tool in reporting their findings in real time to other concerned ER docs (or anyone really) so they can help their patients the most. It wasn't "the cure." Vitamin Ds effect on the immune system is well established. Generally healthy people are not deficient in Vitamin D. Boosting your Vitamin D levels is good advice for general health, and hey there may be protective benefits for Covid! No, black or white. It's the cure. It's useless. Finger pointing.

Ugh. Few things can be conversations. Pick your position and dig in (and finger point and name call). It's not even "pick your position". It's pick someone else's position (generally political) and dig in.

The problem for the anti-vacc side is they were wrong then,now,and in the future. Vaccines save lives. There is no BS
they can post to deny it.

 

[triumph]

The problem for the anti-vacc side id they were wrong then,now,and in the future. Vaccines save lives. There is no BS
they can post to deny it.

I didn't mention vaccines in my post.

Yes, it's terrible when anyone that has died since 2020 a bunch of numb nuts ask "did they get the jab?" I don't have time for that nonsense.

It is absolutely true that we don't need measles, polio, and any other number of other killers back.

I'm less optimistic about the handling of the Covid vaccine particularly around the mandate when they knew damn good and well that it didnt stop you from getting it. It reeked of "never waste a good crisis" for big pharma. If it helped reduce the symptoms and it saved lives of those that got vaccinated, great. I got vaccinated twice when it was first available and the first booster so I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But, I can't fault those that were not convinced by the Covid vaccine handling.

 

[faceman]

I didn't mention vaccines in my post.

Yes, it's terrible when anyone that has died since 2020 a bunch of numb nuts ask "did they get the jab?" I don't have time for that nonsense.

It is absolutely true that we don't need measles, polio, and any other number of other killers back.

I'm less optimistic about the handling of the Covid vaccine particularly around the mandate when they knew damn good and well that it didnt stop you from getting it. It reeked of "never waste a good crisis" for big pharma. If it helped reduce the symptoms and it saved lives of those that got vaccinated, great. I got vaccinated twice when it was first available and the first booster so I'm not an anti-vaxxer. But, I can't fault those that were not convinced by the Covid vaccine handling.

Vaccines have never claimed to prevent 100%. The goal is herd immunity to keep it from spreading

 

[Dago]

not sure what you mean by net positive.
do you think that if no vaccine was created, the deaths and lasting effects of covid would just slightly more than what was prevented and effects caused by the vaccine?

I'm really not sure what you are looking for. I have stated that I believe that it helped our immune systems and saved lives....especially those at higher risk. I have stated that I decided to get it despite the fact that I had a major reason to be more hesitant than most and I certainly don't regret it.

That was my opinion at the time I made the choice. As I have decided that (in my particular case) the benefits don't outweigh the potential risk, I haven't much kept up with it as much. From what I understand, the current strain(s) of covid aren't nearly as severe as the original ones which also factored in my decision seeing how the flu currently kills a higher rate of people than covid. To be fair, there are potential variables that could be skewing that number such as vaccination rates and maybe this year's flu is especially bad but honestly I am not looking to put the time or effort into researching that seeing how it wouldn't change my personal choice for the previously mentioned reasons. Since I lost 120 pounds, got rid of most processed foods from my diet, and started taking ashwghanda daily I very rarely get sick and on the rare occasions I do, I am over it in a day or two.

Flu deaths may have surpassed COVID deaths nationwide for first time since start of pandemic, early CDC data suggests

CBS News For the first time since the beginning of the pandemic, more people in the U.S. died of influenza than from COVID-19 in the week ending on Jan. 25, according to weekly figures published by…

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Flu deaths may have surpassed COVID deaths nationwide for first time since start of pandemic, early CDC data suggests

Influenza trends have reached record highs in recent weeks.

www.cbsnews.com

Does that help?

 

[Dago]

Vaccines have never claimed to prevent 100%. The goal is herd immunity to keep it from spreading

Dude....our government and the media claimed over and over that the vaccine would stop 97% TRANSMISSION. That was a bald faced lie and as I mentioned previously, anybody who knows anything about coronaviruses in general knew that was complete crap.

Stopping 97% of transmission would eradicate any virus. To provide context, that would be more effective than the Polio vaccine program.

 

[faceman]

Dude....our government and the media claimed over and over that the vaccine would stop 97% TRANSMISSION. That was a bald faced lie and as I mentioned previously, anybody who knows anything about coronaviruses in general knew that was complete crap.

Stopping 97% of transmission would eradicate any virus. To provide context, that would be more effective than the Polio vaccine program.

sorry, but that was fact checked. You made a wise decision getting the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

 

[Dago]

sorry, but that was fact checked. You made a wise decision getting the vaccine.

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/preventing-transmission-never-required-covid-vaccines-initial-approval-pfizer-2024-02-12/

I suggest you read my post again because it's obvious you didn't comprehend it. My statement had to do with what we were told by the government and the media. Your article does not address that at all....it is stating that transmission prevention wasn't required of the pharmaceutical companies.

Those are two very different things

 

[Brandon13]

I suggest you read my post again because it's obvious you didn't comprehend it. My statement had to do with what we were told by the government and the media. Your article does not address that at all....it is stating that transmission prevention wasn't required of the pharmaceutical companies.

Those are two very different things

This thread is like a loop all of the way around lol because I remember chiming in on this previously.. but yeah, that's basically my recollection of everything as well.

 

[Brandon13]

I suggest you read my post again because it's obvious you didn't comprehend it. My statement had to do with what we were told by the government and the media. Your article does not address that at all....it is stating that transmission prevention wasn't required of the pharmaceutical companies.

Those are two very different things

AI makes the research pretty easy:

Most recently, Walensky told a Senate committee Wednesday that data now shows fully vaccinated individuals can’t pass Covid-19 to other people.

“Data have emerged again that [demonstrate] that even if you were to get infected during post vaccination that you can’t give it to anyone else,” Walensky said in response to a question about the new CDC guidance for vaccinated people and masks.
...
This is not the first time Walensky has used less precise language than the CDC on whether vaccinated people can spread Covid-19.

On March 29, Walensky told MSNBC that “Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don’t get sick.”

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/21/politics/walensky-comments-cdc-guidance-fact-check/index.html?sp_amp_linker=1*1u12c5j*amp_id*NUwxcDZPYjd3dXBjd2NRdHFoaGp1RFhEZmVEWUlGSDJUQ3hxd2dxd0kwRU9XeHcyWkN1M2JQWjJMYU1wNWF2dw..

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

This thread is like a loop all of the way around lol because I remember chiming in on this previously.. but yeah, that's basically my recollection of everything as well.

The vaccines were very effective at stopping transmission --- until the omicron variant (at least I think it was omicron) happened.

The gov/public health folks got ahead of themselves with their declarations about stopping transmission and spiked the football too early, and then had to re-jigger their message to act like they never said that.

Lots of lessons to be learned in all of that but I don't that's actually happened.

 

[Dago]

The vaccines were very effective at stopping transmission --- until the omicron variant (at least I think it was omicron) happened.

The gov/public health folks got ahead of themselves with their declarations about stopping transmission and spiked the football too early, and then had to re-jigger their message to act like they never said that.

Lots of lessons to be learned in all of that but I don't that's actually happened.

I don't disagree with you at all and I am certainly not positing that that there was some nefarious intent....I try to avoid acting like a mind reader.

I am just saying that with what we know about mutating coronaviruses, it was a very foolish thing to promote and it is quite likely that it has contributed to the anti-vaxxer idiocy. I know mistakes happen....I am saying that this is one that definitely should not have happened

 

[Brandon13]

The vaccines were very effective at stopping transmission --- until the omicron variant (at least I think it was omicron) happened.

The gov/public health folks got ahead of themselves with their declarations about stopping transmission and spiked the football too early, and then had to re-jigger their message to act like they never said that.

Lots of lessons to be learned in all of that but I don't that's actually happened.

I get that.. but they had to know the virus was going to mutate right? And therefore it would probably look more like a situation akin to the flu vaccine than the polio one.

They leaned into the public's ignorance until, like you said, the wave of infections started hitting vaccinated individuals.