Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (10 Viewers)

[Tapxe]

This is the furthest from the truth. The reason you don't hear about it is because officials put out an edict for public health officials to stop pushing vaccines publicly. Look no further than the measles tracking thread to see how well not pushing vaccines is working.

Louisiana has one of the highest rates of flu and COVID cases in the country this year. You don't know it because the state no longer reports it. They don't even want the data.

It's not because of the vaccine. It's because herd immunity is diminishing due to the lack of people taking the vaccines.

Cult members gonna cult.

 

[SaintRob]

Flu vaccines are still forced upon us.

This is total horse ****!

"A department spokesperson confirmed Louisiana Surgeon General Ralph Abraham had ordered his staff to stop engaging in media campaigns and community health fairs to encourage vaccinations, even as the state has experienced a surge in influenza."

Louisiana to end mass vaccine promotion, state's top health official says

The Louisiana Department of Health “will no longer promote mass vaccination.” That's according to a Thursday memo written by the state’s top health official and obtained by The Associated Press.

apnews.com

No need to even address the rest of your post.

 

[Arathrael]

I will just drop a couple of recent links regarding continuing assessment of the effectiveness of the vaccines and their merits to just underline that, yes, people do still talk about it and yes, the vaccines are worth getting:

March last year:
"The effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent long COVID symptoms: staggered cohort study of data from the UK, Spain, and Estonia", published in the Lancet:

Vaccination against COVID-19 consistently reduced the risk of long COVID symptoms, which highlights the importance of vaccination to prevent persistent COVID-19 symptoms, particularly in adults.​

There's also a plain English summary of that paper here: https://evidence.nihr.ac.uk/alert/vaccines-reduce-the-risk-of-long-covid/

Then, from May just last year, related:
"Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent long COVID: data from Norway", published in The Lancet:

In summary, we show the real-world effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines to prevent long COVID symptoms and post-COVID thromboembolic and cardiovascular complications among the Norwegian population, consistent with previous findings from other countries (UK, Spain, and Estonia).​

"Postacute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 Infection in the Pre-Delta, Delta, and Omicron Eras", published in the New England Journal of Medicine, July 2024

Vaccinated persons had a lower cumulative incidence of PASC at 1 year than unvaccinated persons (difference during the delta era, −4.18 events per 100 persons [95% CI, −4.47 to −3.88]; difference during the omicron era, −4.26 events per 100 persons [95% CI, −4.49 to −4.05]). Decomposition analyses showed 5.23 (95% CI, 4.97 to 5.47) fewer PASC events per 100 persons at 1 year during the omicron era than during the pre-delta and delta eras combined; 28.11% of the decrease (95% CI, 25.57 to 30.50) was attributable to era-related effects (changes in the virus and other temporal effects), and 71.89% (95% CI, 69.50 to 74.43) was attributable to vaccines.​

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European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control review from just over a week ago:
"Does COVID-19 vaccination reduce the risk and duration of post COVID-19 condition?" (link)

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In conclusion, a review of available literature indicates that, in general adult populations of mixed disease severity, vaccination offers some degree of protection against PCC onset, aligning with findings from previous reviews into this area of research. This indicates that vaccination offers additional benefits beyond protecting against severe acute outcomes of SARS-CoV-2 infection for this population.​

Vaccination has consistently, and at this point with overwhelming evidence, been shown to reduce risks from Covid-19, both in the immediate phase and post-infection. It would be nice if they were even better, but it's simply flat out wrong to say that they're not effective at all, they are, or that people have stopped talking about them for ludicrous conspiracy reasons. They clearly are still talking about them, as anyone with google and the ability to type could easily check - if they wanted to.

 

[triumph]

Finally! Now we're about to be free of those who were preventing the American people from taking as much ivermectin as they can fit in every office!

Lawmakers back bill to make ivermectin available over-the-counter

The General Assembly push comes just days after the Arkansas governor signed a bill into law legalizing over-the-counter ivermectin.

www.carolinajournal.com

Arkansas, Oklahoma, Georgia, Texas, West Virginia and North Carolina are leading the way!

I hate everything about the conversation surrounding this. Conversations concerning health are turning tribal where you have to take a black/white position. Using Ivermectin as an antiviral, especially without any other treatments at the time was not a stretch. There were even early studies that stated Ivermectin was effective, but these were in vitro tests. In vivo tests yielded that any sort of effectiveness could require 100x dosages of the in vitro tests. Throw in potential bias into some of the initial tests and the appropriate doubt was placed on Ivermectin as a treatment/prophylactic for Covid.

But that's not how we roll now. "It's the cure!". "It's horse medicine!". Finger pointing and stupidity accusations everywhere...

I get it. Should we drink bleach? Should I aim my hair dryer up nose at full blast? These were considered by some and even mentioned by our President at the time.

Similar nonsense about Vitamin D. The conversations concerning Vitamin D at the beginning of Covid were being raised by ER docs on twitter. Docs were noting that the people that are doing the worst with Covid (ventilators, death, etc) were Vitamin D deficient (< 30). Covid was just new to everyone and Twitter was an effective tool in reporting their findings in real time to other concerned ER docs (or anyone really) so they can help their patients the most. It wasn't "the cure." Vitamin Ds effect on the immune system is well established. Generally healthy people are not deficient in Vitamin D. Boosting your Vitamin D levels is good advice for general health, and hey there may be protective benefits for Covid! No, black or white. It's the cure. It's useless. Finger pointing.

Ugh. Few things can be conversations. Pick your position and dig in (and finger point and name call). It's not even "pick your position". It's pick someone else's position (generally political) and dig in.

 

[kcirdor]

Wow, forgot about the covid vaccine. All i know, is that it appears to being pushed away. Like, "ok, everyone just forget about it, forget it was ever a topic". I was threatened with my job if I didn't get it. So, I got it regretfully. I got covid, pretty bad a month later. My kids got it, which I so regret them getting it. They wanted to travel with their cousins, so they chose to get it. Never even got checked for their card at the airport. They were 18 and 16 at the time.
All I know is what I see. It's never talked about, even in the medical field. Like, nothing is said about it anymore. Flu vaccines are still forced upon us. But covid?? not a word about it. Not a peep. Dr Fauci was pardoned, and lies were told about the vaccine and its effectiveness. 100%. Why anyone would still stand up for this vaccine is beyond me. It's a non topic in the medical field now. Almost like "let's just forget this thing ever happened". That's the vibe i get.

I dont know what you are talking about, flu and covid vax are both being promoted at your CVS and Walgreens. My mom just got a booster last week. While i skip out on yearly vaccinations personally they are readily available. Not sure why regretful unless you or your kids have a vaccine injury. While the myocardial issues reported are being attributed to the vaccine itself, im sure it's more likely the result of viruses actual design than the vaccine.

 

[Dago]

I can only speak for myself, but I won't be getting any more Covid vaccines. I was worried as hell since people who have had Guillain-Barre' can't have many vaccines, but I still got the original and the booster.
At this point I just depend on natural immunity, eating well, and taking Ashwaghanda daily (which was tested and shown to be effective by the United States Dept of Health and Human Services).
I'm not telling people to not get the vaccine...that's just the choice I feel is in my best interests now that covid has become less dangerous

 

[DaveXA]

I can only speak for myself, but I won't be getting any more Covid vaccines. I was worried as hell since people who have had Guillain-Barre' can't have many vaccines, but I still got the original and the booster.
At this point I just depend on natural immunity, eating well, and taking Ashwaghanda daily (which was tested and shown to be effective by the United States Dept of Health and Human Services).
I'm not telling people to not get the vaccine...that's just the choice I feel is in my best interests now that covid has become less dangerous

And that's a reasonable expectation. Vaccinations by and large are a positive net effect for the large majority of people. Those who have legitimate medical reasons should of course consult with their medical professional before taking any vaccine. And ultimately all people should consult with their doctor or professional before treating themselves. They of course don't always get it right, but generally speaking, they know more about my body than I do. And I'm OK with that.

 

[Dago]

And that's a reasonable expectation. Vaccinations by and large are a positive net effect for the large majority of people. Those who have legitimate medical reasons should of course consult with their medical professional before taking any vaccine. And ultimately all people should consult with their doctor or professional before treating themselves. They of course don't always get it right, but generally speaking, they know more about my body than I do. And I'm OK with that.

I agree with you on the point about the positive net effect, of course.

I disagree with just taking the doctors word. After my experiences with the medical community regarding Guillain-Barre' and my spine injuries, I make sure to do research (and no....I don't mean Facebook posts) so I can be my own advocate. If I listened to doctors, Guillain-Barre' would have killed me or I would be paralyzed (and then if they were correct, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own).

I realize that just may be my bad luck, but it is what it is. However, I have nothing but good things to say about the surgeon who did most of my spine surgeries....good man, talented physician, and blunt as hell (which I prefer....don't sugarcoat crap with me)

 

[kcirdor]

I disagree with just taking the doctors word.

That is correct. I had a GP instead of sending me to ortho, try to use his out dated knowledge to treat my Super Bowl injuries...

 

[DaveXA]

I agree with you on the point about the positive net effect, of course.

I disagree with just taking the doctors word. After my experiences with the medical community regarding Guillain-Barre' and my spine injuries, I make sure to do research (and no....I don't mean Facebook posts) so I can be my own advocate. If I listened to doctors, Guillain-Barre' would have killed me or I would be paralyzed (and then if they were correct, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own).

I realize that just may be my bad luck, but it is what it is. However, I have nothing but good things to say about the surgeon who did most of my spine surgeries....good man, talented physician, and blunt as hell (which I prefer....don't sugarcoat crap with me)

I'm not saying just take the doctor's word. Doing our own research can be valuable. But more often than not, I've had have been good ones who have given good advice regarding my own health care. People who have the kind of complications you have no doubt require additional expertise, and sometimes they don't have good answers for.

I don't think we're far apart tho. I hear what you're saying.

 

[Dago]

I'm not saying just take the doctor's word. Doing our own research can be valuable. But more often than not, I've had have been good ones who have given good advice regarding my own health care. People who have the kind of complications you have no doubt require additional expertise, and sometimes they don't have good answers for.

I don't think we're far apart tho. I hear what you're saying.

No I get you. And I also realize that there is an unfortunately large percentage of Americans that seem to be incapable of looking up valid sources AND comprehending them. I'm not saying that a Reddit threads where people talk about their experiences aren't helpful, but they shouldn't be in front of medical science.

I'll give you an example....I got Guillain-Barre' in December, 2020. I don't remember that year at all and a lot of my memory from before that is patchy. I had just finished Calculus II and I couldn't do higher math at all after (and I found that while I never had to study previously to make As, Bs, and a couple Cs in college, after I had to put effort into learning. All of the doctors told me that Guillain-Barre' couldn't do that since all it does is attack the axial sheathing on the nerves. It was actually an internet forum for people who had it where I saw that others experienced the same thing. It was so bad, when I had my first bad accident (head on with an ambulance on the wrong side of the road), my lawyer was ecstatic....saw major dollar signs due to my injuries (the most severe being my neck). Come to find out, earlier in 2020 and had gone to a doctor complaining of some neck pain after I told my lawyer that I had never had neck issues before. I explained the Guillain-Barre' memory loss and he couldn't find a single doctor to corroborate what I said and since I had already stated everything in deposition, everyone decided that I was a liar, had a preexisting condition, and was just trying to take advantage of the situation (never mind that there was nothing in the notes from when I saw a doctor about my neck about me having any issues walking). Torpedoed my case and I literally got nothing

Now if you search, the medical community has confirmed memory loss and cognitive damage from it. I mean it is what it is at this point and I understand that medical knowledge is always evolving especially with uncommon issues....the point is that it was the internet and not the medical community that confirmed that I wasn't going crazy and that my issues were real and not psychosomatic

 

[bigdaddysaints]

Wow, forgot about the covid vaccine. All i know, is that it appears to being pushed away. Like, "ok, everyone just forget about it, forget it was ever a topic". I was threatened with my job if I didn't get it. So, I got it regretfully. I got covid, pretty bad a month later. My kids got it, which I so regret them getting it. They wanted to travel with their cousins, so they chose to get it. Never even got checked for their card at the airport. They were 18 and 16 at the time.
All I know is what I see. It's never talked about, even in the medical field. Like, nothing is said about it anymore. Flu vaccines are still forced upon us. But covid?? not a word about it. Not a peep. Dr Fauci was pardoned, and lies were told about the vaccine and its effectiveness. 100%. Why anyone would still stand up for this vaccine is beyond me. It's a non topic in the medical field now. Almost like "let's just forget this thing ever happened". That's the vibe i get.

the reason covid isn't as big a threat as it was in the beginning is over 81% of the population got the vaccine, which save countless lives.
that is why we are where we are today. but we could have been here quicker and with much less deaths if the 5g, magentic, and shedding dummies dodn't het a loud voice...

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I agree with you on the point about the positive net effect, of course.

I disagree with just taking the doctors word. After my experiences with the medical community regarding Guillain-Barre' and my spine injuries, I make sure to do research (and no....I don't mean Facebook posts) so I can be my own advocate. If I listened to doctors, Guillain-Barre' would have killed me or I would be paralyzed (and then if they were correct, I wouldn't be able to walk on my own).

I realize that just may be my bad luck, but it is what it is. However, I have nothing but good things to say about the surgeon who did most of my spine surgeries....good man, talented physician, and blunt as hell (which I prefer....don't sugarcoat crap with me)

do you think the over 80% of the population that got the vaccine helped put down the main threat of covid with extememly less deaths? and do you think we would have been better off with no one taking the vaccine?

 

[kcirdor]

do you think the over 80% of the population that got the vaccine helped put down the main threat of covid with extememly less deaths? and do you think we would have been better off with no one taking the vaccine?

What does that have to do with anything he said?