NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (13 Viewers)

[TruSaint]

Are none of you concerned about the level of competition with Jeanty?? I mean Hawaii , Utah St and Ga. Southern are not exactly SEC schools
To say he's a generational talent when he's played against 3 top 10 teams in 2 yrs and having 1 good game of the 3.

 

[livefromDC]

Nah, I don't want to play your hypothetical hindsight games. My position is that there are positions that are worthy of a top 10 pick and RB isn't one of them. Maybe a late 1st. You disagree, I'm good with that. Agree to disagree.

That's cool. It's just a discussion bro, but your unwillingness to engage speaks for itself.

As a summary for everyone else though. The example illustrates a hard truth that has and will contiue to cost coaches and GMs their job, drafting with a position rather than drafting a player is a recipe for disaster.

 

[Snakehead]

Not at all, I posted this on another forum today regarding this same topic:

Let’s also not forget that Ashton Jeanty went for over 150 yards from scrimmage and 2 touchdowns on just 14 touches against Washington in 2023. A team that played in the National Championship that year.

In other words, Jeanty played 3 games against top 10 opponents in his career (Washington, Oregon, and Penn State). He had 457 yards from scrimmage and 5 touchdowns in those games while playing with a completely overmatched offensive line against those teams. Average of 152 yards from scrimmage per game.

Raw stats obviously aren't the "be all end all" when evaluating prospects, but Jeanty continues to get questions over his level of competition and how he did vs "quality" opponents, so I do feel it's useful to compare what he's done against top 10 opponents. Here's how some other recent top RB's over the years have done against top 10 teams:

Bijan Robinson- 4 games against top 10 opponents, 365 yards from scrimmage, and 3 touchdowns. Average of 91 yards from scrimmage per game.

Saquon Barkley- 7 games against top 10 opponents, 950 yards from scrimmage, and 6 touchdowns. Average of 135 yards from scrimmage per game.

Christian McCaffrey- 4 games against top 10 opponents, 591 yards from scrimmage, and 1 touchdown. Average of 147 yards from scrimmage per game.

Man, get out of here with those facts. But, but, but, he played against Hawaii.

He's only fast because he's playing against lesser talented. WTH kind of of comments are those. 4.3-4.4 speed is fast no matter what level of talent a RB plays against.

He only breaks tackles against lesser opponents. WTH was he doing against Penn St? They sold out fo stop him and he still got over a 100 yards on them.

Some people won't know talent if it hit them in the face. The problem is he's a RB and supposedly RBs don't matter. Tell that to the SB champs. They literally added a RG off the scrape heap and one of the best RBs in the NFL and rode him to the SB. That was the only difference between their 2023 and 2024 season, oh and Kellen Moore who is our HC now.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Some people won't know talent if it him them in the face. The problem is he's a RB and supposedly RBs don't matter. Tell that to the SB champs. They literally added a RG off the scrape heap and one of the best RBs in the NFL and rode him to the SB.

And they were able to do so because conventional wisdom was that RB doesn’t matter and Barkley was cheap given how talented he still is. There would be no reason for Jeanty to even be around at 9 if not for conventional wisdom which I will gladly bet against like the Eagles did.

 

[Snakehead]

Moss only had to beat a DB, not a whole defense

Thanks for proving my point. Jeanty beat entire defenses regularly.

 

[brianw37]

Jeanty.

This draft is DEEEEP at TE, grab Mason Taylor in the 3rd

The draft is also deep at RB

 

[brianw37]

My dream is Tyler Warren in the 1st and Cam Skattebo in the 3rd. Would create a new identity for the team with a flexible and organic offense that keeps defenses guessing. Maybe even take Milroe in the 2nd if he goes Tebow, then we could really lean into that lol.

Either Jeanty or Warren would be awesome though, I'm happy either way.

Same! If the Saints can get a gaurd with one of Their 4th round picks, the rest of the draft can go defense

 

[DSnfla]

Not at all, I posted this on another forum today regarding this same topic:

Let’s also not forget that Ashton Jeanty went for over 150 yards from scrimmage and 2 touchdowns on just 14 touches against Washington in 2023. A team that played in the National Championship that year.

In other words, Jeanty played 3 games against top 10 opponents in his career (Washington, Oregon, and Penn State). He had 457 yards from scrimmage and 5 touchdowns in those games while playing with a completely overmatched offensive line against those teams. Average of 152 yards from scrimmage per game.

Raw stats obviously aren't the "be all end all" when evaluating prospects, but Jeanty continues to get questions over his level of competition and how he did vs "quality" opponents, so I do feel it's useful to compare what he's done against top 10 opponents. Here's how some other recent top RB's over the years have done against top 10 teams:

Bijan Robinson- 4 games against top 10 opponents, 365 yards from scrimmage, and 3 touchdowns. Average of 91 yards from scrimmage per game.

Saquon Barkley- 7 games against top 10 opponents, 950 yards from scrimmage, and 6 touchdowns. Average of 135 yards from scrimmage per game.

Christian McCaffrey- 4 games against top 10 opponents, 591 yards from scrimmage, and 1 touchdown. Average of 147 yards from scrimmage per game.

1st you are looking at yards from scrimmage . I'm only concerned with rushing yds. Let's look at those games. in 23 vs Wash he had 10 carries for 44 yds, he got most of those yrd from scrimmage on 1 50yd pass play

He's had 1 good game against #7 Oregon , early in the yr. and was just slightly above avg in the playoffs against Penn st

All of those guys you mentioned played most games against much better competition than Jeanty not just top 10 schools. If Boise ST played a top 10 team it was not the norm, whereas those other guys played against better teams almost every wk.
Also no one is mentioning that Jeanty had 750 rushing attempts in 40 games that's pretty high usage meaning his career may not be a long one.

I'm not saying he's not a good RB , but for me there are some concerns , and especially @9

 

[No2DC]

If you're saying we can get one of the top 5 best overall players in this draft, I'm all for it. Yes, we have plenty of holes, but we need playmakers. I know Warren is ranked high as well but the RB is more of a staple position.

 

[tyler735]

1st you are looking at yards from scrimmage . I'm only concerned with rushing yds. Let's look at those games. in 23 vs Wash he had 10 carries for 44 yds, he got most of those yrd from scrimmage on 1 50yd pass play

I’m looking at production. Ashton Jeanty has produced very well in his 3 games against top 10 competition. The guy ran for more rush yards than everyone in college history except Barry Sanders this past season. I look at his ability as a pass catcher as a huge factor in what he brings to the table as well.

You’re penalizing a RB for busting a big play? Essentially you are saying he had a 50 yard touchdown, and only had 100+ yards and another touchdown when you take that big play out of the equation. Sorry that’s just not a strong argument there.

He's had 1 good game against #7 Oregon , early in the yr. and was just slightly above avg in the playoffs against Penn st

He had a great game against Oregon and also had a very good game against Washington in 2023. 150+ yards from scrimmage and 2 touchdowns.

Against Penn State he did about as well as any RB could in those circumstances. Their defense completely sold out to stop the run game.

All of those guys you mentioned played most games against much better competition than Jeanty not just top 10 schools. If Boise ST played a top 10 team it was not the norm, whereas those other guys played against better teams almost every wk.

Yet Jeanty produced just as well as 3 of the best prospects at RB over the past 10 years when playing against top 10 teams in college football.

The biggest duds that Barkley, Bijan, and McCaffrey had against top 10 teams were much worse than Jeanty’s game against Penn State.

Also no one is mentioning that Jeanty had 750 rushing attempts in 40 games that's pretty high usage meaning his career may not be a long one.

I'm not saying he's not a good RB , but for me there are some concerns , and especially @9

He does have a bit of wear on him, but his injury history is pretty clean, so I’m not too concerned in that aspect either. I think he’s one of the best RB prospects over the past 15 years.