NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (72 Viewers)

[Saintstigerking]

Deepest running back class in a long time. Built your lines first then get your running back.

 

[RJS]

Deepest running back class in a long time. Built your lines first then get your running back.

Yep, I love this RB class all the way through UDFA guys.

I think the 9th pick will be defense and my bet is on Kenneth Grant. There's a long way to go until then. Everything is new and it's going to be fun!

 

[TruSaint]

Deepest running back class in a long time. Built your lines first then get your running back.

What oline or dline prospect is worth the 9th pick? I honestly see better value going Jeanty at 9 and like in the second round than the opposite.

 

[St. Geezy]

Deepest running back class in a long time. Built your lines first then get your running back.

If this draft was more top heavy with great OL prospects, I’d agree.

The DL guys I want will be gone but hey, maybe they’ll draft one of the mid round level edge rushers if they find someone they love.

 

[Saintstigerking]

What oline or dline prospect is worth the 9th pick? I honestly see better value going Jeanty at 9 and like in the second round than the opposite.

We’ll have to wait and see? I would take any position over running back at #9.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Yet sometimes you end up being the Lions with Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson because you have a generational talent and nothing around them. I'll take a great team over a great player 10 out of 10 times.

The Lions didn’t fail to become a championship team because they drafted Sanders instead of a DT or Megatron instead of an OT.

Taking elite talent when available and BPA is the right move.

 

[bayoumilitia]

My rebuttal is that having a generational talent, if he ends up being that, doesn't always make your team good. You have to build the whole team and RB is our deepest position as it stands today. Reggie Bush was thought to be a generational talent and never made a Pro Bowl. Saquan didn't change the fortunes for the Giants either, he had to go to a team that built their team right to win.

Besides, Kellen Moore said he was going to build the team the right way. I don't consider drafting a RB at 9 the right way for this team right now.

Not saying you’re wrong but Reggie did make the Pro Bowl in 2008. As Sean Payton used to say “I’ll say this”, imho in our situation at #9 you look at your board and you take the best most impactful player available. If it’s Ashton (Because of KMs Boise bias) that’s fine. If it’s Tyler Warren, a guy that caught 104 receptions and 8 TDs at freaking Penn State when he had bracket coverage 70% of the time I’m fine with that too.

I’d rather that than reaching for an OL or DL. The only offensive lineman I’d consider at 9 imo would be Armand Membou for RT and move Penning to G.

 

[Elvis]

The Lions didn’t fail to become a championship team because they drafted Sanders instead of a DT or Megatron instead of an OT.

Taking elite talent when available and BPA is the right move.

You're missing the point, which is to build the entire team strategically and not get enamored by the potential of a single player when so many positions on the team need help. There is much better value for running backs later in the draft, but less so at other positions. And RB is our one position of strength.

Not saying you’re wrong but Reggie did make the Pro Bowl in 2008. As Sean Payton used to say “I’ll say this”, imho in our situation at #9 you look at your board and you take the best most impactful player available. If it’s Ashton (Because of KMs Boise bias) that’s fine. If it’s Tyler Warren, a guy that caught 104 receptions and 8 TDs at freaking Penn State when he had bracket coverage 70% of the time I’m fine with that too.

2008 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't see Reggie on there. We had no Pro Bowl players in 2008.

And this isn't a hill I'm going to die on because Jeanty would be entertaining and the game IS about entertainment. I just think the RB position can be filled in a lot of different rounds if we wanted one this year and other positions get much thinner after the 1st round. If you're trying to build your team you have to prioritize not just players, but also positions where value is hard to find later.

 

[livefromDC]

You're missing the point, which is to build the entire team strategically and not get enamored by the potential of a single player when so many positions on the team need help. There is much better value for running backs later in the draft, but less so at other positions. And RB is our one position of strength.

2008 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't see Reggie on there. We had no Pro Bowl players in 2008.

And this isn't a hill I'm going to die on because Jeanty would be entertaining and the game IS about entertainment. I just think the RB position can be filled in a lot of different rounds if we wanted one this year and other positions get much thinner after the 1st round. If you're trying to build your team you have to prioritize not just players, but also positions where value is hard to find later.

Based on your consistent comparison to Bush, do you think Jeanty will be similar to Bush? If you do, I guess I can see your logic. I think there's a lot of people who see him being similar to Barkley or Tomlinson. Thats why I ask.

But if your point is that he can end up not being as good as people think he will be, that's true for every single position and shouldn't be a determination when drafting a player. You have to trust your evaluation. Look no further than the Saints last few 1st round picks back to Davenport. So what gives with the Bush comparison?

 

[bayoumilitia]

You're missing the point, which is to build the entire team strategically and not get enamored by the potential of a single player when so many positions on the team need help. There is much better value for running backs later in the draft, but less so at other positions. And RB is our one position of strength.

2008 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't see Reggie on there. We had no Pro Bowl players in 2008.

And this isn't a hill I'm going to die on because Jeanty would be entertaining and the game IS about entertainment. I just think the RB position can be filled in a lot of different rounds if we wanted one this year and other positions get much thinner after the 1st round. If you're trying to build your team you have to prioritize not just players, but also positions where value is hard to find later.

I apologize, Reggie was named to the 1st Team All Pro in 2008. Which I’d argue is probably more prestigious than the Pro Bowl, at least now

I’m getting old Elvis, my memory is getting bad

 

[DSnfla]

Are none of you concerned about the level of competition with Jeanty?? I mean Hawaii , Utah St and Ga. Southern are not exactly SEC schools
To say he's a generational talent when he's played against 3 top 10 teams in 2 yrs and having 1 good game of the 3.

 

[Snakehead]

Are none of you concerned about the level of competition with Jeanty?? I mean Hawaii , Utah St and Ga. Southern are not exactly SEC schools
To say he's a generational talent when he's played against 3 top 10 teams in 2 yrs and having 1 good game of the 3.

Not at all.

 

[Elvis]

Based on your consistent comparison to Bush, do you think Jeanty will be similar to Bush? If you do, I guess I can see your logic. I think there's a lot of people who see him being similar to Barkley or Tomlinson. Thats why I ask.

But if your point is that he can end up not being as good as people think he will be, that's true for every single position and shouldn't be a determination when drafting a player. You have to trust your evaluation. Look no further than the Saints last few 1st round picks back to Davenport. So what gives with the Bush comparison?

It's not a consistent comparison, I compared him once. And it's not about Jeanty as a player. It's about positional value that I don't think RB has enough of to get one at 9. That's a luxury pick for when you team is good and you trade up because you need a RB more than you need draft picks. We're not that team.

EDIT: Here is an article talking about positional value. NFL teams take less RBs and TEs less than any other positions in the first round. It's not just me that feels that way, NFL GMs feel that way too.

 

[bayoumilitia]

Are none of you concerned about the level of competition with Jeanty?? I mean Hawaii , Utah St and Ga. Southern are not exactly SEC schools
To say he's a generational talent when he's played against 3 top 10 teams in 2 yrs and having 1 good game of the 3.

I’d say nope. Exactly how many stellar SEC RBs are rocking it in the NFL currently? So the whole level of competition thing goes out the window. I mean different positions but Terron Armstead, would you question his level of competition. How about Eric Dickerson when he went to SMU, Ladanian Tomlinson at TCU, Jerry Rice at Miss Valley???

 

[Judge_Smails]

You're missing the point, which is to build the entire team strategically and not get enamored by the potential of a single player when so many positions on the team need help. There is much better value for running backs later in the draft, but less so at other positions. And RB is our one position of strength.

2008 Pro Bowl - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I don't see Reggie on there. We had no Pro Bowl players in 2008.

And this isn't a hill I'm going to die on because Jeanty would be entertaining and the game IS about entertainment. I just think the RB position can be filled in a lot of different rounds if we wanted one this year and other positions get much thinner after the 1st round. If you're trying to build your team you have to prioritize not just players, but also positions where value is hard to find later.

I get the point. Yet, nobody here actually knows how the Saints’ new HC has players ranked on his board, which will obviously be a major impact on how the rest of the leadership and scouting dept. assess players for the draft and FA.

If they see Jeanty as BPA and overwhelmingly worth pick 1.9 (I think they do), then they should dance to the podium. If it’s someone else, then cool.