NFL Draft Ashton Jeanty or Tyler Warren? (63 Viewers)

[TruSaint]

Because they had two HOF guards. Those don't tend to be late round picks.


Because that's what wins football games. You have to win at the LOS. Moore specifically said investing in our OL/DL will be the identity of the team.

The Eagles won the super bowl because of their OL/DL. Not because of Barkley, their WRs, or TEs.

I’d say they won because of both, no Barkley, no chance they win

 

[texasjefe]

I want to stop drafting small school guys for a bit and go with big school guys that regularly play tougher competition. Those small school guys are great gambles when your team is good and terrible choices when you can't afford to miss. I'm not saying Jeanty is going to be a miss, but with our best position of depth being RB and needing so many other things, it's not worth the risk.

I'm of course not going to say Jeanty is a must-pick at 9, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took him.

Moore got to the Cowboys in 2018 so inherited Zeke in his early prime (yes, they had rebuilt the line by then with Zack and Tyron).

Moore had Barkley.

Moore only had 3rd down back Ekeler as the feature back in 2023 in LA, and they under-achieved.

Jeanty is averaging pick 12 (Cowboys) in the mocks composites so it would not be a reach.

A backfield anchored by Kamara the elder and Jeanty the future would be stout, and give the offense a new identity. Rattler-Jeanty could be a launchpoint.

While not relevant to today, the 1980 Saints took George Rogers 1st to rebuild from the 1-15 team. The 1986 Saints took Reuben Mayes in the 3rd round and featured him immediately starting in his rookie season.

I wanted a young offensive head coach and we got him and he wants to establish the run. I would be fine with Jeanty unless things come up that lower his draft stock, or, as you said, we'll see what they do with roster and FA before the draft. I hope CE-H has his body and mind straight and would be a 3rd back, but we'll see about all that.

A good coach should be able to get weapons and build O-Line at the same time, and assuredly over this and next offseason.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

I’d say they won because of both, no Barkley, no chance they win

Couldn't disagree more.

Barkley averaged 4.05 yards before contact in 2024.

To put that in perspective AK averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

As a Giant in 2023, Barkely averaged 1.9 yards before contact.

Everything begins with OL/DL.

 

[livefromDC]

Because they had two HOF guards. Those don't tend to be late round picks.


Because that's what wins football games. You have to win at the LOS. Moore specifically said investing in our OL/DL will be the identity of the team.

The Eagles won the super bowl because of their OL/DL. Not because of Barkley, their WRs, or TEs.

When were those 2 HoF guards drafted? Right. They don't have to be first round picks. The Saints proved that. Use the draft picks to select BPA.

 

[TruSaint]

Just watched hours and hours of tape of both Jeanty and Warren.

Jeanty is just absolutely generational talent. Every bit the prospect that Saquon was. He has an elite combo of vision, balance, power, elusiveness, speed. He’s insane.

 

[TruSaint]

Couldn't disagree more.

Barkley averaged 4.05 yards before contact in 2024.

To put that in perspective AK averaged 4.2 yards per carry.

As a Giant in 2023, Barkely averaged 1.9 yards before contact.

Everything begins with OL/DL.

You think the Eagles win the superbowl without Barkley?

Who was the eagles main RB 2 years ago and what was their avg? Was it swift?

 

[Elvis]

I'm of course not going to say Jeanty is a must-pick at 9, but I wouldn't be surprised if they took him.

Moore got to the Cowboys in 2018 so inherited Zeke in his early prime (yes, they had rebuilt the line by then with Zack and Tyron).

Moore had Barkley.

Moore only had 3rd down back Ekeler as the feature back in 2023 in LA, and they under-achieved.

Jeanty is averaging pick 12 (Cowboys) in the mocks composites so it would not be a reach.

A backfield anchored by Kamara the elder and Jeanty the future would be stout, and give the offense a new identity. Rattler-Jeanty could be a launchpoint.

While not relevant to today, the 1980 Saints took George Rogers 1st to rebuild from the 1-15 team. The 1986 Saints took Reuben Mayes in the 3rd round and featured him immediately starting in his rookie season.

I wanted a young offensive head coach and we got him and he wants to establish the run. I would be fine with Jeanty unless things come up that lower his draft stock, or, as you said, we'll see what they do with roster and FA before the draft. I hope CE-H has his body and mind straight and would be a 3rd back, but we'll see about all that.

A good coach should be able to get weapons and build O-Line at the same time, and assuredly over this and next offseason.

I'm not saying to not take another RB, just not at 9. A guy like Omarian Hampton or Kaleb Johnson would be great in a later round if you had to have another RB. But right now AK is one of our best players at any position and we are super thin at a lot of others. And I'm not out on Kendre yet either. People are going to point to him going on IR later in the season calling him injury prone, but by all accounts I've read he shouldn't have been put there and it was the coaches having him in the doghouse that caused it.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

When were those 2 HoF guards drafted? Right. They don't have to be first round picks. The Saints proved that. Use the draft picks to select BPA.

If it was that easy everyone with just draft HOFers in the later round.

Statistically the higher the draft pick the significantly higher odds you'll get a better player. There's abundant amount of data showing so.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

You think the Eagles win the superbowl without Barkley?

Who was the eagles main RB 2 years ago and what was their avg? Was it swift?

2023 was Swift. Over 3 yards before contact. 3rd in the NFL with RBs over 1k yards. 3.0 before contact / 4.6 ypc

2022 Swift was with the Lions and averaged 3.8 yards before contact / 5.5 yards per carry

2024 Swift with the Bears avg 2.0 yards before contact / 3.8 ypc

Notice the theme?

 

[texasjefe]

I'm not saying to not take another RB, just not at 9. A guy like Omarian Hampton or Kaleb Johnson would be great in a later round if you had to have another RB. But right now AK is one of our best players at any position and we are super thin at a lot of others. And I'm not out on Kendre yet either. People are going to point to him going on IR later in the season calling him injury prone, but by all accounts I've read he shouldn't have been put there and it was the coaches having him in the doghouse that caused it.

Correcting myself that George Rogers was 1981.

I loved Kendre at TCU and maybe the new culture and S&C C can keep him more healthy.

But he’ll have to prove that. Not ready to ditch him but confidence is low. He was a mistake to draft coming off the ACL in a draft rich at RB. His situation reminds of Jameis’ 2022.

I was helping kids with emotions at a camp in Rhode Island last summer (ya’ll can chuckle at that) and Kendre went down in the first 5 minutes of TC.
What a bummer.

 

[livefromDC]

I'm not saying to not take another RB, just not at 9. A guy like Omarian Hampton or Kaleb Johnson would be great in a later round if you had to have another RB. But right now AK is one of our best players at any position and we are super thin at a lot of others. And I'm not out on Kendre yet either. People are going to point to him going on IR later in the season calling him injury prone, but by all accounts I've read he shouldn't have been put there and it was the coaches having him in the doghouse that caused it.

It's not about adding another RB. It's about adding a once in 5 year talent. You're not getting comparable value by passing on generational talent, LOL.


Sometimes in the draft a player is just too good to pass by. In hindsight, nobody blames the Bengals for taking Ja'Marr Chase when they needed OL help. Chase is a generational talent. When that falls in your lap you take them. If the Bengals took some guard then a WR in the next round, it wouldn't be the same as having Ja'Marr freaking Chase. That math doesn't work. Which is why thinking about artificial needs only clouds the picture when drafting. Teams start making decisions that defy logic. "Let me pass on the best looking RB in 6 years falling in my lap because I've been planning to address the line with a high draft pick since February."

 

[livefromDC]

2023 was Swift. Over 3 yards before contact. 3rd in the NFL with RBs over 1k yards. 3.0 before contact / 4.6 ypc

2022 Swift was with the Lions and averaged 3.8 yards before contact / 5.5 yards per carry

2024 Swift with the Bears avg 2.0 yards before contact / 3.8 ypc

Notice the theme?

Saquan is better than Swift. This season made that obvious.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Saquan is better than Swift. This season made that obvious.

Of course he is?

The data shows the most important factor in rushing success is the OL and not the individual RB.

Elite RBs raise your ceiling not floor. Barkey on a team like the Saints wouldn't be half as successful.

 

[Elvis]

It's not about adding another RB. It's about adding a once in 5 year talent. You're not getting comparable value by passing on generational talent, LOL.


Sometimes in the draft a player is just too good to pass by. In hindsight, nobody blames the Bengals for taking Ja'Marr Chase when they needed OL help. Chase is a generational talent. When that falls in your lap you take them. If the Bengals took some guard then a WR in the next round, it wouldn't be the same as having Ja'Marr freaking Chase. That math doesn't work. Which is why thinking about artificial needs only clouds the picture when drafting. Teams start making decisions that defy logic. "Let me pass on the best looking RB in 6 years falling in my lap because I've been planning to address the line with a high draft pick since February."

Yet sometimes you end up being the Lions with Barry Sanders or Calvin Johnson because you have a generational talent and nothing around them. I'll take a great team over a great player 10 out of 10 times.

 

[livefromDC]

If it was that east everyone with just draft HOFers in the later round.

Statistically the higher the draft pick the significantly higher odds you'll get a better player. There's abundant amount of data showing so.

??? How's that statistic working for the Saints?

Still not convinced. Look at the Eagles line that you're enamored with. Similar story. 1st round pick of their own. Another was a resurrection project. And the rest of the line is made up of 2nd to 7th round picks. Their best player on the line...7th rounder.