Athleticism over Talent (2 Viewers)

[Domeination]

Wow, who needs dog whistles with posts like the OP's.

 

[SweetT]

Keep this safe energy when he’s on the panthers killing is for years.

You think the Panthers make that jump up the draft to take him? Lots of QB needy teams ahead of them. Most likely would have to get to #3 at minimum to ensure they get him. I can’t see too many teams that would want to do business with them. I would love to see the Colts, Raiders, or Lions take him. That way he wouldn’t be in our division

 

[No2DC]

Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen are great QB’s in todays league. Lamar Jackson and Jalen Hurts are examples of players that will not be the same past their rookie contracts. Without their legs they are not starters and their legs have a quick expiration date compared to how long you expect a franchise QB to play.

How is Allen better than Hurts or Jackson long-term? People are comparing Richardson to Allen Right now. He was considered raw coming out, but he had the physical tools. The undertone of this discussion of athletic vs. non-athletic

 

[SonOfNOLA]

So let’s point to one success story lol. How about Trey lance? Jordan love? Zach Wilson? Justin Fields? Do I need to go on? The most important trait is vision, anticipation, and accuracy, along with pocket awareness. Great if he’s mobile too that’s just even more upside.

More like 3 very recent success stories with Jackson, Allen and Hurts. Regardless of Jackson being recently injured, he’s still an MVP QB who wins games.

It’s only been 2 years and Fields hasn’t had any weapons around him. Love isn’t known for being a run first QB at all so he shouldn’t be mentioned, plus he’s never had a chance to play yet while Rodgers is still there. The only thing Love has in common is complexion, which doesn’t automatically mean they’re a run-first athletic QB.

Running QBs are not injured while running the ball as of late. Their injuries usually take place while in the pocket when they’re going through progressions to pass. A lot of times DL or LBs are landing their weight on QBs’ ankles, shoulders, knees or thighs while they’re throwing or avoiding pressure in the pocket. Those injuries have nothing to do with them being an “athletic” QB, but being a QB in general, which can happen to any QB like when Kentavius Street landed on Brees’ shoulder 2 seasons ago.

 

[cbord12]

Wow, who needs dog whistles with posts like the OP's.

Haha way to make it racial. Can’t be about the players right. We will all be better off when everything doesn’t involve race and look at everything through the same lense.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Bookmark it all you want. None of these guys will be staters in 5 years outside maybe Levi’s and Young. Athleticism only goes so far when the guys ok the other side are just as athletic. Btw, Richardson couldn’t even hit the post route at the combine. Missed in 3 times in a row, but boy he can throw it 80 yards on a wide open field!

 

[State Of Affairs]

The NFL and the majority of threads on this board seem to value athleticism over talent at the QB position. This is why the product has become awful and only a few good teams worth watching.

The fact Anthony Eichardson is somehow even in play for the #1 overall after the combine is a crazy. The #1 objective for a QB is to get the ball in the offensive players hands accurately and quickly. Yet the everyone is obsessed with “arm talent” and 40s for a QB. It’s crazy that the “traditional” QBs are being ripped apart for not being tall enough or athletic enough or can’t throw an 80 yr bomb off their back foot. Yet the same people are in love with the athletic QB with big arm that can’t hit the broad side of the barn or one read QBs. Those traits can’t be taught in the NFL. Consistency can be taught from repetition but not the others.

Next are we gonna want our lineman to run 40s? We have lost sight on what a qb is supposed to be good at. If Lamar Jackson and Jalen hurts are the new NFL standard then count me out. However I don’t think that will be the case, as the QBs with success (SB appearances) are good QBs first and foremost and athletic secondary.

* END RANT*

I understand what you’re saying and using Richardson is a good example… all athlete, little QB… but let’s not act like we haven’t seen limited QBs play and be unsuccessful.

The point is, you need a QB with top athleticism and as many tools as possible to be a top tier, successful QB…

But I 100% agree… just finding a guy with tools and no ability to successfully apply them is a waste.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Josh Allen was one of the most athletic/most inaccurate passers in college and still remained a horrible passer in his first 2 years in the league. Yet he was coached up and improved his completion percentage by a lot in year 3 and on.

Teams, who have decent OCs and QB coaches, see the same potential and scenario playing out with Richardson. He can flourish in an offense like Hurts is in while he progresses as a passer over a few years.

That’s a good point I hadn’t thought of. Not a fan of Richardson and wasn’t at all a fan of Allen coming out….if Richardson has an Allen ceiling then he’s a very intriguing prospect imo.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Haha way to make it racial. Can’t be about the players right. We will all be better off when everything doesn’t involve race and look at everything through the same lense.

Anyway, agree to disagree. Bookmark it all you want. None of these guys will be staters in 5 years outside maybe Levi’s and Young. Athleticism only goes so far when the guys ok the other side are just as athletic. Btw, Richardson couldn’t even hit the post route at the combine. Missed in 3 times in a row, but boy he can throw it 80 yards on a wide open field!

million to your first point.

 

[brungart]

The league is about to trend back toward pocket passers. This happens every few years. The league is now employing smaller quicker backers and Dlineman. Don’t believe me check out the dline 40’s at the combine to see the trend. On Richardson I would probably draft him first overall if he played any other skill position. Otherwise he’s just this years Malik Willis.

 

[greg8710]

Keep this safe energy when he’s on the panthers killing is for years.

I fell like this is food stamps, Over having a job…
Just saying….

 

[cbord12]

million to your first point.

This board is a microcosm of society. Every Andy supported and Winston detractor was labeled racist or clueless. I mean people on here still thinking Winston is a starting QB. I don’t get it. If you don’t like the mobile, spread college offense QB you’re anti black QBs.

Patrick Mahomes is the very rare combo of both high QB IQ and athleticism. Allen is close but he leaves a lot to be desired as a passer imo. His great is great but he has some lows too often. Hurts is running a high school/college offense. He will be the new Lamar. Great stats but will never win bc you can’t win on the biggest stages with that type of QB play. I mean it took an unreal defensive season for the eagles and still couldn’t pull it off.

Every GM and fan would love the combo of Brady/Hurts. That guy would be unstoppable. Just not sure he exists or ever will.

 

[SaintStephen1]

Wow, who needs dog whistles with posts like the OP's.

I don’t see any discussion of skin color by OP. Maybe look in the mirror.

 

[NS_Saint]

So let’s point to one success story lol. How about Trey lance? Jordan love? Zach Wilson? Justin Fields? Do I need to go on? The most important trait is vision, anticipation, and accuracy, along with pocket awareness. Great if he’s mobile too that’s just even more upside.

Justin Herbert

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

This board is a microcosm of society. Every Andy supported and Winston detractor was labeled racist or clueless. I mean people on here still thinking Winston is a starting QB. I don’t get it. If you don’t like the mobile, spread college offense QB you’re anti black QBs.

Patrick Mahomes is the very rare combo of both high QB IQ and athleticism. Allen is close but he leaves a lot to be desired as a passer imo. His great is great but he has some lows too often. Hurts is running a high school/college offense. He will be the new Lamar. Great stats but will never win bc you can’t win on the biggest stages with that type of QB play. I mean it took an unreal defensive season for the eagles and still couldn’t pull it off.

Every GM and fan would love the combo of Brady/Hurts. That guy would be unstoppable. Just not sure he exists or ever will.

. What I’ve learned is that some folks see EVERYTHING as race and or racist. It’s odd and foreign to me as I wasn’t raised to see skin color. Period. I just want this to be a football board, on the SSF. Just football. There’s enough nastiness everywhere else.

Agreed on your football points too.

I don’t see any discussion of skin color by OP. Maybe look in the mirror.

Well stated. And a nicer way than the phrase I’ve always heard.
“To a racist everything is about race.”

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

So let’s point to one success story lol. How about Trey lance? Jordan love? Zach Wilson? Justin Fields? Do I need to go on? The most important trait is vision, anticipation, and accuracy, along with pocket awareness. Great if he’s mobile too that’s just even more upside.

And we were spoiled by one of the best ever in those areas. Maybe the best.