B & G scrimmage (4 Viewers)

[GoldRush26]

Now, have we spent to much time and emphasis on the secondary? It seems like the O ran the ball at will. You can have the best secondary in the world, if you can't stop the run, you won't stop the pass.

Any concerns?

I predicted that stopping the run could be a bugaboo for this defense this year. People said that I was crazy. They thought that us being statistically adequate at run support these past few years would translate to a new scheme, disregarding the fact that Gibbs schemed SPECIFICALLY to react to the run.

There's no way for a defense learning a completely different type of scheme to develop proficiency in pass rushing without being susceptible in the run game. It's like trying to sit and stand at the same time. One is going to suffer, and those difficulties become more amplified with a defense that lacks superior athleticism at LB to make up for being out of position. We need more talent in the middle and up front to truly turn the corner, IMO.

That being said, I think with our type of offense, I'd rather be weak at stopping the run than weak at stopping the pass.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

lol...why so iffy about our run defense, Grant had a Strip and Recovery as well as 2 sacks, and a would be, Harper had a Pick, and they got gashed for a few running plays...but thats possibly 14 points if the offense can capitalize on both turn overs.

Ill take 14 points over a 40 yard gash anway.....its happens it could be more the running back...than the run defense...anyhow i liked what i heard...Grant was disruptive, so was ellis, porter seemed to be in on everything and then i lost the feed and went outside and played football with the neighborhood kids

 

[meily]

"With Darren Sharper on the sidelines, S Usama Young looked promising. He filled holes quickly against the run, immediately closed on a few screens – once coming in hot to put a loud pop on Thomas – and earned consistent praise from defensive backs coach Dennis Allen for his efforts. Young also made a quick play in coverage to stop Shockey well short of a first down, with the fiery tight end slamming the ball to the turf. " From NOS.com B&G article linked above.

Gotta like the sound of that. Good for UY, a year late, IMO, but rather late than never.

That part of the report stuck out to me to, Usama is an aggresive corner, I think this change to Safety is what is going to get the most out of his ability, he can support the run and has the speed to defend sideline to sideline as a FS...he may be a surprise starter before the year is out.

 

[alexa]

Honestly, it is better to be bad against the run than the pass. ppl are forgetting that in 2006 we had issues with stopping the run.

In 2008, the difference in yards between the best pass defense and the worst pass defense was 3.4 yards per attempt.

In 2008, the difference in yards between the best rush defense and the worst rush defense was 1.8 yards per attempt.

Considering the correlation between total yards and points scored is pretty solid, and that the average defense faced about 960 plays last year. 1.6 yards per play makes a sizable difference.

 

[blasian]

Honestly, it is better to be bad against the run than the pass. ppl are forgetting that in 2006 we had issues with stopping the run.

This.

 

[GameBreaker]

I disagree. With our high powered offense, if we get early leads we can force teams to abandon the run. We have to play to our strengths.

 

[JackDiesel]

Teams can't run the ball when they are behind in the 4th quarter. I don't even want to think about all the games we lost because teams could come from behind at a moments notice because all they had to do was pass the ball.

I thought it was interesting that they were trying Nicks out at LT, I wonder how that worked out.

 

[oodank]

"With Darren Sharper on the sidelines, S Usama Young looked promising. He filled holes quickly against the run, immediately closed on a few screens – once coming in hot to put a loud pop on Thomas – and earned consistent praise from defensive backs coach Dennis Allen for his efforts. Young also made a quick play in coverage to stop Shockey well short of a first down, with the fiery tight end slamming the ball to the turf. " From NOS.com B&G article linked above.

Gotta like the sound of that. Good for UY, a year late, IMO, but rather late than never.

That part of the report stuck out to me to, Usama is an aggresive corner, I think this change to Safety is what is going to get the most out of his ability, he can support the run and has the speed to defend sideline to sideline as a FS...he may be a surprise starter before the year is out.

right!
as aggressive as he's shown to be on defense and special teams, you had to see he'd be better at safety. and he's been practicing against he #1 nfl offense for a couple years now too!!!

going up against breesy & co. is helping ALL THESE GUYS!!!!

 

[Farb]

I predicted that stopping the run could be a bugaboo for this defense this year. People said that I was crazy. They thought that us being statistically adequate at run support these past few years would translate to a new scheme, disregarding the fact that Gibbs schemed SPECIFICALLY to react to the run.

There's no way for a defense learning a completely different type of scheme to develop proficiency in pass rushing without being susceptible in the run game. It's like trying to sit and stand at the same time. One is going to suffer, and those difficulties become more amplified with a defense that lacks superior athleticism at LB to make up for being out of position. We need more talent in the middle and up front to truly turn the corner, IMO.

That being said, I think with our type of offense, I'd rather be weak at stopping the run than weak at stopping the pass.

You predicted what tha we would be bad against the run in Training camp? Awesome, good job. It is only training camp. Wait for the "see, I told you so" threads when this actually counts.

 

[birdog]

We must stop the run if we want to be contenders......the idea that all the D needs is be middle of the pack won't wash, if the good running teams control the clock and the tempo of the game.....the Panthers regularly beat us twice exactly b/c we can't seem to stop their running game, same with the Falcons.

I'm pretty sure the coaches took notice, and I do expect some changes to be made in case this problem persist. The problem stopping the run consist in 2 ways.....gap control, and tackling. This is where talent, or lack of it will eventually show the problems this D will have to face.......and I wouldn't be surprised if the Saints might look for another run stopping LB before the TC is over......

 

[Eman5805]

Is what I heard right? Hargrove was getting pressure all game?

 

[DownWithDisease]

...on the next play LB Mark Simoneau forced a fumble by RB Mike Bell and recovered it, ending the drive.

Now... I'm a fan of Mike Bell, and I think he's a really tough runner, but if he keeps putting the ball on the turf, He needs to ride the pine. HOLD ONTO THE DARN BALL MIKE!

I was also intrigued by the fact that they said Devery Henderson had a really nice punt return!

 

[dwid]

lus-un2:

I remember watching Reis in preseason last year and he had a nose for the ball (ala Sammy Knight.) I want to see this guy get his shot because from what I saw, he's better than people might think.

I got crap for saying he was much people than people gave him credit for during last season. He could be much more than just a good special teams player

 

[rav2]

The fact that Nicks is getting reps at left tackle could spell the doom for Bushrod.

 

[FootballLady]

I predicted that stopping the run could be a bugaboo for this defense this year. People said that I was crazy. They thought that us being statistically adequate at run support these past few years would translate to a new scheme, disregarding the fact that Gibbs schemed SPECIFICALLY to react to the run.

This post makes it sound as if your prediction has come true when, in fact, it has not. Perhaps a more apporpriate way to have stated it is that today's practice only serves to strengthen your feeling that stopping the run might be a bugaboo this season. This was a practice, not a season.