Because I remember Decembers in the 70s (1 Viewer)

[LoE]

The crew the team has now - the talent - is good enough to beat anyone.

Until the leadership changes for the better, and until the game plan changes for the better, they'll never see it.

It kills me. They're so close. Yet so far. They were lucky to beat the 1-11 Panthers at home.

 

[LoE]

Have you seen the other threads Bill? Underhill is predicting/insinuating major players on the team are looking to leave. To save their careers.

I wish I was making it up.

I hope Mrs Benson is watching. Cause it rips my heart out. We're so close. Throwing it away.

 

[Scott B]

I’ll never not be all in if they have a chance to win the division. Too many losing seasons under my belt. We only get 17 of these a year. If we can get an 18th, I’ll take it

 

[Bill]

Have you seen the other threads Bill? Underhill is predicting/insinuating major players on the team are looking to leave. To save their careers.

I wish I was making it up.

I hope Mrs Benson is watching. Cause it rips my heart out. We're so close. Throwing it away.

If this is indeed a fact, then they need to have a private audience with Mickey explaining their reasons for wanting out. If that doesn't get Allen booted, nothing will.

 

[LoE]

I think Allen has already lost this team. When Underhill is posting about players looking to leave now, that's a confirmation.

Back in the day, people were trying to get on this team. Up to an including Tom Brady.

 

[Rexman100]

Agreed. I’ve said it in other posts but I’ll say it again. If we don’t win the division DA needs to be gone. If we do… I’m fine either way. Won’t cry or cheer about him being fired or kept. We need changes At position coaches in either scenario. But I’ll root for wins and for us to make the playoffs over losing any day. And I don’t think winning will negatively impact our ability draft a qb.

The scriptures say it is better to be hot or cold than to be lukewarm. I think that’s where a lot of fans are. Rather have a legit shot at a championship or be really bad. Easier to start over and rebuild if you’re really bad. Being stuck in 7-10 or 8-9 hell feels far worse.

flash forward: next up on the schedule is the Denver Broncos and Sean Paytons return to the Superdome. Besides the Saints fan, Im sure ML will to win this game. Not because of any animosity, but because ML wants to show the world, I got this. And also show SP that he didn’t destroy the team by simply leaving. Reality: The team we have right now isnt beating a surging 2024 SP led Denver team. (it’s more likely that Denver is better under SP in year two). Our team even when completly healthy wasn’t getting it done. Or even flashing like it could. So, if you’re ML , because he doest’t want to be completely humiliated, what would be less humiliating? Going into the Denver game with a first year staff, which will inevitably struggle, as a result has a built in excuse. Or run it back with the same staff and players, everyone an year older?

 

[Artifactual]

That's real right there Bill. A great positive outlook without being delusional. Good to see an attitude can be adjusted from a negative point of view to a positive one. Anybody that has been a Saints fan for more than 20 years can relate. Those that have only witnessed the past 20 years or less haven't felt the pain of perpetual mediocrity from our team.

It's been frustrating the past few years accepting the fact that the Saints aren't at their pinnacle. Imagine the frustration that Patriots fans have had the last few years as well. For them it's been a bigger disparity to accept.

It's hard to settle for 2nd fiddlers when you're accustomed to virtuosos playing stradivarius. Right now it would be just wonderful if everyone could get in tune with one another.

Don't give up on our team. Hope in December is much better than none by Thanksgiving. That 1 Star movie has been shown here way to often.

Now that you've gotten your head straight, try putting a few thoughts together for an uplifting KWTPF thread this week. Those have been tradition here for years and they've been sorely missed the past few weeks.

Let’s try to ride this season through to the end with hope of a much better ending than what up until now has seemed likely. There's plenty of time for next year discussions once the fat lady has sung. She may be clearing her throat right now but she's still standing behind the curtain. Let's root for a better act 2 before she shows her face.

In keeping with the sentiment of this thread, can you imagine the enthusiasm from the fan base in the 60s or 70s if in December the Saints were tied for 1st place in the division and controlled their own fate? It would have warmed Mr. Bingles heart!

 

[HoustonSaint68]

In keeping with the sentiment of this thread, can you imagine the enthusiasm from the fan base in the 60s or 70s if in December the Saints were tied for 1st place in the division and controlled their own fate? It would have warmed Mr. Bingles heart!

Omg, the entire city would have been going crazy! But the increased expectations today are NOT a bad thing per se.

I'm not a Super Bowl or bust guy, but to see talent, particularly aging talent, squandered by abysmal coaching is unacceptable. Again, I don’t expect a Lombardi every year or even being one of the top 3-5 teams in the league every year; but I do expect to regularly field a playoff-caliber team with a fighting chance to catch fire in the playoffs and have a chance to take the prize. And this coaching staff has shown that they are incapable of a three game win streak against terrible teams much less going on a playoff run.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

This thread is like someone who lived through the great depression telling the kids that they don't really have it as bad as they think.

 

[Bill]

This thread is like someone who lived through the great depression telling the kids that they don't really have it as bad as they think.

Nah... the Depression was bad. But not as bad as the 2023 Saints.

 

[Merleaux]

I'm trying not to look at cheering on the Saints the same as giving Allen a pass. I just don't think these last 4 games are going to change Mickey's mind about his head coach. I just want what will make me the happiest when I watch them suit up & perform for the remainder of this season. And that is to win football games... no matter the outcome when the season is all over. But I understand the dilemma that a lot of people are feeling in that regard.

I’m trying to be positive but now every time they suit up, I feel anxiety and frustration. After watching Cam’s interview with KAY Adams, I know they need our support and energy, but we also need more from them. For starters, stop being a second-half team.

 

[Pa.Saint]

The more I think about it the more troubled I am about my attitude in regard to the current state of our beloved football franchise. Yes, the performance of our team is anything but impressive these days, and it's a far cry from what we were treated to during the Payton/Brees era. But we had to see this coming. I mean, nothing good lasts forever. Perhaps we failed to prepare ourselves properly for this inevitable downturn.

Sure, we can choose to be miserable about it... even angry if we're the type who is prone to such emotion. But we can also choose to make the best of what we have down the home stretch of the 2023 season. This is not to take away from the misery of those who have a lot of money invested in this team and feel that they must make their feelings known to the front office that they are very displeased with the lack of production shown by the team they are supporting. More power to those who are earnest in their attempts to get this point across to Mickey & Gayle.

But frankly I think they already know. Everybody knows. Including every coach & player that is receiving the brunt of the criticism. But there is an undeniable fact about this Saints team that we must acknowledge. They aren't done yet. Not only are the Saints still in the hunt for the NFC South crown and a #4 Seed home game in the playoffs, but at the moment they also control their own destiny for those two prizes.

While it's easy to give discouraging reasons 'why' the Saints are still in the running, isn't it still better than what Decembers were like back in the 70s & early 80s? Like many of you folks I remember when the postseason dream was over long before we entered the last month of regular season football. How we used to yearn for the opportunity just to find ourselves in the short list of playoff participants. Even during the Mora years when our postseason visits came up empty, we were still happy & proud that we managed to get there.

I get it. It's hard to go back and accept mediocrity once again. But it can still be fun and exciting to cheer on your team even though hard reality says we won't get far. But it's still better than being eliminated by Thanksgiving. In fact this very situation is what the premise of KWTPF sprang from. No, I'm not going to fool myself into thinking 'this could be the year'. What's going to happen, is going to happen. But I'm going to enjoy whatever positive things may come about in the next 4 weeks. Chances are I'll be a little less disappointed when the inevitable happens. But either way, I just need to take myself back to those days when hope was always fleeting so that I can find some joy in knowing that this December we still have something special to play for.

Geaux Saints!

I remember these as well, I try to stay optimistic, just "a bump in the road"

 

[Deuuuuce]

I’m trying to be positive but now every time they suit up, I feel anxiety and frustration. After watching Cam’s interview with KAY Adams, I know they need our support. They need our energy, but we also need more from them. For starters, stop being a second-half team.

I’ve noticed that the Dome gets taken out of games by slow starts. That is doing the visiting team a huge favor. Usually the first drive of the game for an offense is the best because it’s totally scripted and it’s what they worked on all week, but we screw it up every week.

 

[Merleaux]

I’ve noticed that the Dome gets taken out of games by slow starts. That is doing the visiting team a huge favor. Usually the first drive of the game for an offense is the best because it’s totally scripted and it’s what they worked on all week, but we screw it up every week.

Exactly. Why are we THAT team? sputtering like an old clunker in the morning that you have to let warm up.

 

[Consigliere]

I remember December Sundays in the 1980s. But I do not remember the Saints, because Baton Rouge TV always showed the Cowboys instead. Pretty sure November Sundays were like that too.

At some point the Dome Patrol overcame Danny White, Tony Dorsett, et al but by then I was off to college.