Bill Vinovich (1 Viewer)

[GrandAdmiral]

If he ever does officiate a Saints game again I can guarantee it will not be one played in New Orleans.

I doubt it will be while Sean Payton is still head coach.

 

[stooge]

Every official on the field saw the replay of it on the giant Dome screens and could could and should have thrown a flag right there before the next play.

 

[SweetT]

I have a challenge for anyone that wants to try. Go through NFL videos and replays and find me one that shows any official coming across the field or a white hat leaving his position to go to another and throw his flag. And I'm not talking about when a flag is thrown and they come together and talk about it. I'm talking about a play with no flag thrown and another official comes and throws his flag "out of position".

Good Luck on your journey.

Ref throws flag deep when there is already a sideline official there. He didn’t even leave his post. Just chucked it downfield. The officials saw our play. Especially when Bill said “I didn’t see the play”, which he did. He clearly lied and you still go to bat for the guy.

 

[2009ring]

I'm with you. Those were two horrible calls. There's no doubt that when the NFL reviewed the way this game was officiated (particularly at the end) they realized that the appearance would be one of favoritism being shown due to these crucial non-calls.

But the way I see it, of all the games each year the ones that generally are under-officiated are the postseason games. The NFL would much prefer that a playoff contest is decided by the performance of the two teams rather than making possibly marginal calls that could ultimately decide the outcome.

In fact this is one reason why those two no-calls are easier for me to deal with. There is obviously a mandate by the NFL to try their best to let the teams play without 'ref interference' for determining a winner. If it was the other way around and the officials were being asked to look for every possible foul, then there would be far more questioning of the league being unbiased... especially if one team happened to be very undisciplined that day.

Both the OFI against Lewis & the face whack on Drew were egregious penalties that were of such severity that these should have been called. Sadly these were not; to our demise. But as I recall there were fouls that the Saints players made during the game which were not called as well. This just proves that the officials were trying their best to stay out of the game, particularly in the latter moments when the impact of penalties would likely have had a greater impact on the outcome. However with the officials remaining silent, it basically had the same effect to the outcome that the NFL obviously tries to avoid.

Any post-game review by the league with the officials would likely have been geared toward having the proper degree of officiating in order to avoid the same type of criticism among all of the fan bases that this one still has to this day. Every NFL fan around the country knows the Saints got hosed with those 'no-calls'. But this is the only fan base that still can't understand why the officials were trying not to be 'flag-happy' for an NFC Championship game. It's a whole lot easier just to vilify the captain of that crew then to realize that those officials screwed up in not seeing/calling some very critical fouls when it affected the Saints the most.

All of that sounds great, until you try to think about the Brady-era Patriots in a conference championship game and not getting that PI call. Never. That would never happen. Every football fan knows it in their soul.

 

[saintfan1972]

Ref throws flag deep when there is already a sideline official there. He didn’t even leave his post. Just chucked it downfield. The officials saw our play. Especially when Bill said “I didn’t see the play”, which he did. He clearly lied and you still go to bat for the guy.

I'm trying to actually see a penalty on that one, but the Backjudge has the TE as his key. The flag was thrown in the vicinity of the TE so he must've thought he saw something. So that was not thrown out of his area.

Try again

 

[saintfan1972]

Every official has certain keys or positions they watch. When in the middle of the field the backjudge will have the longest throw since he is 30 yards from the line of scrimmage. Nice throw though. I was an umpire so mine only had to go about 5 yards most of the time.

 

[coceaux]

Sure I can.

One official missed the call because he was in the wrong position to make the call and called off the official who was in position to make the call. Those are facts.

The latter missed call was due to the back judge looking in a different direction at the moment Drew's facemask was hit. Review the videos. I did.

These were bad mistakes. It happens. You just have to learn to accept it as you would be able to do if it had happened to a different team.

Wrong. They saw the play. It was no mistake by a professional referee, human beings make mistakes kind of thing.

 

[coceaux]

Yoube the white hat in a game and you go make that call, you won't be officiating long. So for everyone that thinks he should've run 20 yards down the field and drop a flag, you are crazy as hell. Won't happen.

Plus it's been 3 freakin years. Get over it.

You get over it, it has been 3 years and yet here you are.

 

[saintfan1972]

You get over it, it has been 3 years and yet here you are.

I've been over it. I'm trying to teach people some of the positions of officials and what their looking at. But people don't want to learn. It's just freakin football dude. My life doesn't stop because the Saints lose a game. You here too so maybe you need to get over it buddy.

 

[SweetT]

I'm trying to actually see a penalty on that one, but the Backjudge has the TE as his key. The flag was thrown in the vicinity of the TE so he must've thought he saw something. So that was not thrown out of his area.

Try again

You are still trying to argue semantics. The fact remains that multiple/few officials saw that play go down and there is ZERO way that was not a penalty. I don’t care if it was Murphy Lee, Sara Lee, or Bruce Lee to blame. They are all corrupt in that moment and they all should take responsibility. Especially the goon that said “I didn’t see the play”. If you did see it, which he did, and blatantly lie about it to the press (and the entire world), then you are more at fault than you are originally thought to be. I don’t care what you say, that was a corrupt situation. You can go on continuing to walk the path of a blind person, but these are are wide to BS.

 

[saintfan1972]

I totally agree it was a penalty. Totally. And the 2 officials there should've called it. But we will just agree to disagree. Have a good day. Go SAINTS!

 

[sfidc3]

Ref throws flag deep when there is already a sideline official there. He didn’t even leave his post. Just chucked it downfield. The officials saw our play. Especially when Bill said “I didn’t see the play”, which he did. He clearly lied and you still go to bat for the guy.

Strangest hill to die on for a Saints fan.....

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

All of that sounds great, until you try to think about the Brady-era Patriots in a conference championship game and not getting that PI call. Never. That would never happen. Every football fan knows it in their soul.

Not just the “era” but that same day. Brady gets a cheap roughing the passer call when the defender barely brushed his helmet. Which lead to the winning TD. On the same freaking day Drew gets crushed in the head and no call

Geez who decided to post this thread and get me all worked up again