Brandon Staley and Christian Parker interviewed for Defensive Coordinator, Doug Nussmeier interviewed for OC; all on Feb 16 (12 Viewers)

[Elvis]

My god…are you just like programmed to disagree with EVERYTHING???

It’s a simple, factual observation saying that one team that we know has lost coaches hasn’t removed them yet.

Not everything needs to be disagreed with or debated.

You are infuriating at times. You came at me with your nonsense. I replied to someone else who asked about Staley and you butted in with some BS about would could be or could not be.

The hires that have been made and announced by teams are reflected on their websites. The ones that the media have reported on have not been changed on any teams sites because they aren't official yet. So it's not factual that they've lost those coaches until the Saints announce that they've hired the coaches. The Saints have officially hired ONE COACH and he's reflected. The Eagles have promoted Patullo to OC and that is reflected.

Staley and Nuss have not been announced by anyone other than the media, thus NOT REFLECTED on those teams websites. Nor has the RB coach, the TE coach or any other coach. That will change once things are official.

 

[St. Geezy]

You are infuriating at times. You came at me with your nonsense. I replied to someone else who asked about Staley and you butted in with some BS about would could be or could not be.

The hires that have been made and announced by teams are reflected on their websites. The ones that the media have reported on have not been changed on any teams sites because they aren't official yet. So it's not factual that they've lost those coaches until the Saints announce that they've hired the coaches. The Saints have officially hired ONE COACH and he's reflected. The Eagles have promoted Patullo to OC and that is reflected.

Staley and Nuss have not been announced by anyone other than the media, thus NOT REFLECTED on those teams websites. Nor has the RB coach, the TE coach or any other coach. That will change once things are official.

I came at you with “nonsense?” By saying that the “Eagles have yet to make real time corresponding moves to their website, for what it’s worth?”

Man you really need to learn to relax or get your meds regulated or something.

 

[Mr. Coach Klein]

We haven’t made any formal announcements yet. It’s just media reports.

Misunderstood what you were saying.

 

[Hedon James]

Measured by DVOA ranks, Staley didn’t accomplish much with the Rams. Their defense ranks:

2019: 7th
2020: 3rd (Staley’s one year)
2021: 3rd

They were a top unit before he got there, and remained a top unit after he was gone.

Same ranks for the Chargers, with the year before and after Staley included:

2020: 20th
2021: 26th (Staley)
2022: 21st (Staley)
2023: 26th (Staley)
2024: 9th

Their defense was bad before he got there, stayed bad while he was there, and improved a ton one year after he was gone.

He hasn’t shown that he can build a defense from the ground up when given the opportunity. Sure, other candidates haven’t shown an ability to build a defense either, but they haven’t had the opportunity like Staley did.

This is my concern with Staley as well. I'm not opposed to him, but I can't get excited about him either. He had ONE good year, which he parlayed into a HC gig (kudos to him for that), but that's about it. But he's from that Fangio tree, whom I think is the BEST DC in the league...period! So he's got that going for him also, and his HC experience can't be discounted. Maybe he was promoted beyond his level of competence (a military concept) and a return to DC is exactly what he needs. We can hope....

OTOH, Parker seems to be a RISING talent, not a declining or stagnant one. And he's a branch of the Fangio tree also, with a dose of Vance Joseph, who I think is also a top DC. I like that about him also. Everything he touches seems to work better than before he got there, and EVERYONE keeps remarking he's an "excellent teacher". That consensus means something, IMO, and it bodes well for future growth. Excellent teachers tend to seek new knowledge for themselves, which they then pass on.

I hear the arguments about Parker being a riskier pick as a 1st time DC; and that Staley is a safer pick as a retread DC. I'll agree with that. But I think that Parker's ceiling is probably higher than Staley's, which is why I'm leaning Parker. If my choices are "likely good" versus "potentially excellent"; i see Staley as the former and Parker as the latter. But why do we have to choose between them?

Here's what I'd like to see: Parker as DC and Staley as LB coach and Assistant HC. Parker would be a 1st time DC, and I want him fully focused 100% on building his defense and calling his games. Staley cut his teeth as a LB coach and is about to be unemployed (if he isn't already). Maybe the LB coach is a "demotion" (much like a defensive consultant for the 9ers was, having been a full-fledged DC and a HC before), but his former HC experience would be valuable to CKM, while simultaneously allowing Parker to 100% focus on Defense. Added bonus....the Eagles can block a sideways move, but can't block a promotion to DC. Nobody is going to block Staley from anything. Seems to me like the defensive dream team is Parker as HC, and Staley as LB Coach and Assistant HC (much like Campbell was TE Coach and Assistant HC for CSP), with both guys implementing Fangio defensive concepts. And if Parker fails miserably, we've still got Staley behind him. That's about as low-risk/high-reward as it gets in the NFL. I could get REALLY excited about this structure on the defensive side of the ball! JMO...

 

[Elvis]

I came at you with “nonsense?” By saying that the “Eagles have yet to make real time corresponding moves to their website, for what it’s worth?”

Man you really need to learn to relax or get your meds regulated or something.

Except the Eagles DID make a real time move on their website by reflecting Patullo's promotion to OC.

You just aren't paying attention or trying to get some gotcha comments on me because you don't like me. And I'm fine with that, but I will expose it every single freaking time.

 

[TalleyHo1]

This is my concern with Staley as well. I'm not opposed to him, but I can't get excited about him either. He had ONE good year, which he parlayed into a HC gig (kudos to him for that), but that's about it. But he's from that Fangio tree, whom I think is the BEST DC in the league...period! So he's got that going for him also, and his HC experience can't be discounted. Maybe he was promoted beyond his level of competence (a military concept) and a return to DC is exactly what he needs. We can hope....

OTOH, Parker seems to be a RISING talent, not a declining or stagnant one. And he's a branch of the Fangio tree also, with a dose of Vance Joseph, who I think is also a top DC. I like that about him also. Everything he touches seems to work better than before he got there, and EVERYONE keeps remarking he's an "excellent teacher". That consensus means something, IMO, and it bodes well for future growth. Excellent teachers tend to seek new knowledge for themselves, which they then pass on.

I hear the arguments about Parker being a riskier pick as a 1st time DC; and that Staley is a safer pick as a retread DC. I'll agree with that. But I think that Parker's ceiling is probably higher than Staley's, which is why I'm leaning Parker. If my choices are "likely good" versus "potentially excellent"; i see Staley as the former and Parker as the latter. But why do we have to choose between them?

Here's what I'd like to see: Parker as DC and Staley as LB coach and Assistant HC. Parker would be a 1st time DC, and I want him fully focused 100% on building his defense and calling his games. Staley cut his teeth as a LB coach and is about to be unemployed (if he isn't already). Maybe the LB coach is a "demotion" (much like a defensive consultant for the 9ers was, having been a full-fledged DC and a HC before), but his former HC experience would be valuable to CKM, while simultaneously allowing Parker to 100% focus on Defense. Added bonus....the Eagles can block a sideways move, but can't block a promotion to DC. Nobody is going to block Staley from anything. Seems to me like the defensive dream team is Parker as HC, and Staley as LB Coach and Assistant HC (much like Campbell was TE Coach and Assistant HC for CSP), with both guys implementing Fangio defensive concepts. And if Parker fails miserably, we've still got Staley behind him. That's about as low-risk/high-reward as it gets in the NFL. I could get REALLY excited about this structure on the defensive side of the ball! JMO...

Yeah....I think for the most part, this is how most feel and look at it too.

 

[St. Geezy]

Except the Eagles DID make a real time move on their website by putting reflecting Patullo's promotion to OC.

You just aren't paying attention or trying to get some gotcha comments on me because you don't like me. And I'm fine with that, but I will expose it every single freaking time.

I was specifically referring to Nuss and Paganetti still being on there, as I indicated before.

And yes, I generally don’t like consistently combative people that turn even the most fact based, mildest things into arguments with many others.

My initial response to you was friendly in nature and you somehow took that as some sort of challenge that you needed to check me on.

Some people on this site just aren’t worth interacting with and I’m learning that more and more.

 

[Elvis]

This is my concern with Staley as well. I'm not opposed to him, but I can't get excited about him either. He had ONE good year, which he parlayed into a HC gig (kudos to him for that), but that's about it. But he's from that Fangio tree, whom I think is the BEST DC in the league...period! So he's got that going for him also, and his HC experience can't be discounted. Maybe he was promoted beyond his level of competence (a military concept) and a return to DC is exactly what he needs. We can hope....

OTOH, Parker seems to be a RISING talent, not a declining or stagnant one. And he's a branch of the Fangio tree also, with a dose of Vance Joseph, who I think is also a top DC. I like that about him also. Everything he touches seems to work better than before he got there, and EVERYONE keeps remarking he's an "excellent teacher". That consensus means something, IMO, and it bodes well for future growth. Excellent teachers tend to seek new knowledge for themselves, which they then pass on.

I hear the arguments about Parker being a riskier pick as a 1st time DC; and that Staley is a safer pick as a retread DC. I'll agree with that. But I think that Parker's ceiling is probably higher than Staley's, which is why I'm leaning Parker. If my choices are "likely good" versus "potentially excellent"; i see Staley as the former and Parker as the latter. But why do we have to choose between them?

Here's what I'd like to see: Parker as DC and Staley as LB coach and Assistant HC. Parker would be a 1st time DC, and I want him fully focused 100% on building his defense and calling his games. Staley cut his teeth as a LB coach and is about to be unemployed (if he isn't already). Maybe the LB coach is a "demotion" (much like a defensive consultant for the 9ers was, having been a full-fledged DC and a HC before), but his former HC experience would be valuable to CKM, while simultaneously allowing Parker to 100% focus on Defense. Added bonus....the Eagles can block a sideways move, but can't block a promotion to DC. Nobody is going to block Staley from anything. Seems to me like the defensive dream team is Parker as HC, and Staley as LB Coach and Assistant HC (much like Campbell was TE Coach and Assistant HC for CSP), with both guys implementing Fangio defensive concepts. And if Parker fails miserably, we've still got Staley behind him. That's about as low-risk/high-reward as it gets in the NFL. I could get REALLY excited about this structure on the defensive side of the ball! JMO...

I think Staley was also a rising talent whose rise as a DC got cut short by a quick promotion to HC which maybe he wasn't ready for. And to your point, who could blame him. But I don't know that I want the Saints to be the team to find out if it was all Rams talent that got him there and would rather go with the current rising start in Parker. We're taking all kinds of other risks with coaching promotions, why not just go all in?

 

[Elvis]

I was specifically referring to Nuss and Paganetti still being on there, as I indicated before.

Once again, you replied to ME with incorrect information, not fact based information. Nuss and Paganetti have not been announced by either team to have changed positions or teams. It's only in media reports.

And yes, I generally don’t like consistently combative people that turn even the most fact based, mildest things into arguments with many others.

My initial response to you was friendly in nature and you somehow took that as some sort of challenge that you needed to check me on.

Some people on this site just aren’t worth interacting with and I’m learning that more and more.

So learn that lesson and put me on ignore. Please!!! Just do it.

 

[Hedon James]

I think Staley was also a rising talent whose rise as a DC got cut short by a quick promotion to HC which maybe he wasn't ready for. And to your point, who could blame him. But I don't know that I want the Saints to be the team to find out if it was all Rams talent that got him there and would rather go with the current rising start in Parker. We're taking all kinds of other risks with coaching promotions, why not just go all in?

That's a good way to put it. And I'm thinking the same thing, for the same reason. But I do think Staley has value here, and I'd like to see CKM tap into that experience and prior relationship (assuming CKM views that as a relationship worth rekindling?)....just NOT as the DC. I see Staley as the "fallback" choice, but I definitely lean to Parker.

The only OTHER downside to Parker I can think of is that the Eagles may get compensatory picks for promotion of a minority candidate to another team....although I'm assuming he is a minority (he appears to be, but don't want to make a premature judgement), and I'm not sure if that applies to the DC level. I think the Saints have already provided enough opportunities to improve the Eagles' personnel and draft capital over the last few years. But if it means we can pry Parker from them, I suppose one more 3rd rounder(?) can be tolerated. At least it will come from the NFL, and not the Saints.

 

[St. Widge]

I'm not familiar with San Diego's front office or team for that matter. Did they give Staley the power to change the defense as he liked? Can we deduce that from his time there?

I'm not sure, but I do know the Spanos family that owns the Chargers have a reputation for being cheap and not very good owners. So maybe he did not get the support he needed. But, I don't really know.

 

[St. Geezy]

Once again, you replied to ME with incorrect information, not fact based information. Nuss and Paganetti have not been announced by either team to have changed positions or teams. It's only in media reports.

So learn that lesson and put me on ignore. Please!!! Just do it.

You literally used the fact that Staley was still on the 49ers website despite there not being an official report as evidence that nothing has likely been done:



Now your argument is that what I said in response to that, that Nuss and Paganetti are still on the Eagles site despite for all intents and purposes being gone with the friendly disclaimer of “FWIW,” is not an applicable response to your insinuation of the website mattering, so much so that it’s “Nonsense” I butted in with?

What was your point of even looking at the 49ers website then?

I think you’re so wrapped up in this “I gotta debate anyone that challenges me” thing that you don’t even understand what it is you’re debating at times.

This is silliness.

 

[livefromDC]

I'm not sure, but I do know the Spanos family that owns the Chargers have a reputation for being cheap and not very good owners. So maybe he did not get the support he needed. But, I don't really know.

Ok, that's what I remember.

 

[nakadish]

I think Staley was also a rising talent whose rise as a DC got cut short by a quick promotion to HC which maybe he wasn't ready for. And to your point, who could blame him. But I don't know that I want the Saints to be the team to find out if it was all Rams talent that got him there and would rather go with the current rising start in Parker. We're taking all kinds of other risks with coaching promotions, why not just go all in?

If Staley is the choice, and I think he is because we haven't heard any other activity regarding DC and he and Nuss have the same agent, but I'm not "terribly" concerned about him being named DC. But only because Moore seems to be the "smartest guy in the room" kind of guy. So if it's Staley, it will be because Moore respects his knowledge of football and what he's trying to accomplish on defense.

And it's not really fair to compare Staley's time with the Rams time to Spagnuolo's time with the Saints because Spagnuolo had the skins on the wall before he came to the Saints, but I'm hoping it's a similar situation, that if you get him the right pieces he needs, he can be very good.

That or Staley will be Moore's version of Gibbs that Payton brought over from Dallas to be DC.

 

[St. Geezy]

If Staley is the choice, and I think he is because we haven't heard any other activity regarding DC and he and Nuss have the same agent, but I'm not "terribly" concerned about him being named DC. But only because Moore seems to be the "smartest guy in the room" kind of guy. So if it's Staley, it will be because Moore respects his knowledge of football and what he's trying to accomplish on defense.

Great perspective here. Gotta trust our new coach’s judgment.