Brees 70%+ loss rate when he has more than 40 attempted throws (3 Viewers)

[TheIronSheik]

Since when is 16-22 winning?

Winning 4 out of 9 games when passing over 40 times a game, is different then winning 3 out of 10.

4 of Brees 22 loses were games in which the Saints missed a game winning FG at the end. There were another couple of losses in 08 the Bears and Panthers game where Brees led late drive to give the Saints a lead only for the defence to blow it.

 

[Firecross]

The Saints are 23-1 when having 125 yards rushing, longest streak in the NFL.

 

[Kris]

It comes down to a coaching failure. SP considers the running game to be an annoying necessity and puts minimal effort into practicing, gameplanning or executing it. The results show. When Drew has a bad day the Saints struggle. This is SP's fault pure and simple. For a passing attack you do not need dominant offensive linemen, so the guys we have are perfect for what matters in SP's eyes.

Kris

 

[TheIronSheik]

It comes down to a coaching failure. SP considers the running game to be an annoying necessity and puts minimal effort into practicing, gameplanning or executing it. The results show. When Drew has a bad day the Saints struggle. This is SP's fault pure and simple. For a passing attack you do not need dominant offensive linemen, so the guys we have are perfect for what matters in SP's eyes.

Kris

This is the same thing that I heard about Marino Dolphins and other great passing teams, that they didn't practice running the ball enough. This is one of those myths started by old timers who thinks that football is running the ball and stoping the run.

This is my favorite stat of the Saints season so far. This is how many passes Brees has thrown in the first 3 quarters and in the 4th

GB-31[18]- Loss
Chi-29[8]
Hou-25[19]
Jax-36[8]
Car-32[13]
TB-33[12]-Loss
Ind-35[0]
Stl-23[21]-Loss

In the 5 wins this season Brees throw the ball 31.4 times a game in the first 3 quarters and 9.6 times a game in the 4th quarter. In the 3 games lost Brees had 29.0 passes in the first 3 quarters, and 17 times in the 4th quarter.

 

[boutte]

We don't need to more as much as we need to run better.

 

[St. PJ]

How can you say that Manning ignored the run in the Super Bowl in the 2nd half cost them the game.
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Very easily. The Saints did not respect the Colts rushing attack. They deliberately dropped 8 in coverage and dared Peyton Manning to run the ball and win that way. In the first half, the Colts took advantage of a purposefully lacking run defense. In the second half, when the rubber met the road, Peyton Manning lost patience with running the ball and tried to win the game on the strength of his arm, despite the fact the Saints were leaving the run open and Addai had 70 yards or so in the first hlaf.

Gregg Williams and the defense bet on Peyton's ego, and they won. The Colts could have easily taken advantage of the Saints having 8 in coverage instead of 8 in the box, but Peyton wanted to win the game (and MVP) with his arm and leave no doubt that this Superbowl win was because of HIM and HIS legacy, unlike 2006 when most felt the MVP should have went to Addai/Rhodes.

Despite the fact that the Saints were not showing concern with stopping the run even AFTER Addai's success. Conversely, the Saints showed they were a top 5 rushing team all season. The Colts defense respected the Saints ability to run, and therefore played them differently on defense. Instead of dropping everyone in coverage like the Saints did for the majority of the game, the Colts left defenders in the box to defend the run. This favored the Saints passing attack, and Drew Brees was able to pick apart a Colts secondary with ease, tying the completion recored in the SB.

Had the Saints not had a viable threat and top 5 success running the ball throughout the season, the Colts would have not respected the Saints ability to run (even when the Saints didn't use that asset very much throughout the course of the game). The Colts weren't very good running the ball throughout that season, but the Saints left it wide open for them, and instead of taking advantage of that strategy, Peyton Manning tried to win in vintage Manning fashion, which played right to the Saints strategy.

When the Giants played the Bills in the SuperBowl, then defensive coordinator for NY Bill Bilicheck told his team before the game "if Thurman Thomas gets 100 yards rushing, we will win the game". Instead of focusing on shutting down Thurman Thomas, they allowed him to have success so that Jim Kelly and his Kgun offense wouldn't exploit their secondary so much. The Saints decided to let the Colts RB's have success, but figured unlike the Bills, Manning wouldn't have patience with the run late in the game, and they played coverage while leaving the run wide open believing Manning would not take advantage of it. The used all their resources to stop Manning, and Manning's ego prevented the Colts form taking advantage of where the Saints left themselves weak.

And that is exactly how I can say that Manning ignored the run in the second half of the SuperBowl and it cost the Colts the win.

 

[St. PJ]

We don't need to more as much as we need to run better.

I agree, and by better, I propose making changes to who runs the ball out of which formations and when. Specifically, more so on first down, not out of the Shotgun with Sproles. Specifically, mixing it up more with Thomas, Ingram, and Ivory-- varying the formations and personnel packages they run out of. It especially needs to be better in the redzone. The Saints have made more trips to the redzone than any other team, but their touchdown % isn't great. Why? because defenders have less field to defend, and everyone knows we want to go to Graham or Colston with the pass, run a draw with Sproles, or ram it down someone's throat with Ingram. This is where it most needs to be mixed up. Here and on 3rd and short.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Very easily. The Saints did not respect the Colts rushing attack. They deliberately dropped 8 in coverage and dared Peyton Manning to run the ball and win that way. In the first half, the Colts took advantage of a purposefully lacking run defense. In the second half, when the rubber met the road, Peyton Manning lost patience with running the ball and tried to win the game on the strength of his arm, despite the fact the Saints were leaving the run open and Addai had 70 yards or so in the first hlaf.

Gregg Williams and the defense bet on Peyton's ego, and they won. The Colts could have easily taken advantage of the Saints having 8 in coverage instead of 8 in the box, but Peyton wanted to win the game (and MVP) with his arm and leave no doubt that this Superbowl win was because of HIM and HIS legacy, unlike 2006 when most felt the MVP should have went to Addai/Rhodes.

Despite the fact that the Saints were not showing concern with stopping the run even AFTER Addai's success. Conversely, the Saints showed they were a top 5 rushing team all season. The Colts defense respected the Saints ability to run, and therefore played them differently on defense. Instead of dropping everyone in coverage like the Saints did for the majority of the game, the Colts left defenders in the box to defend the run. This favored the Saints passing attack, and Drew Brees was able to pick apart a Colts secondary with ease, tying the completion recored in the SB.

Had the Saints not had a viable threat and top 5 success running the ball throughout the season, the Colts would have not respected the Saints ability to run (even when the Saints didn't use that asset very much throughout the course of the game). The Colts weren't very good running the ball throughout that season, but the Saints left it wide open for them, and instead of taking advantage of that strategy, Peyton Manning tried to win in vintage Manning fashion, which played right to the Saints strategy.

When the Giants played the Bills in the SuperBowl, then defensive coordinator for NY Bill Bilicheck told his team before the game "if Thurman Thomas gets 100 yards rushing, we will win the game". Instead of focusing on shutting down Thurman Thomas, they allowed him to have success so that Jim Kelly and his Kgun offense wouldn't exploit their secondary so much. The Saints decided to let the Colts RB's have success, but figured unlike the Bills, Manning wouldn't have patience with the run late in the game, and they played coverage while leaving the run wide open believing Manning would not take advantage of it. The used all their resources to stop Manning, and Manning's ego prevented the Colts form taking advantage of where the Saints left themselves weak.

And that is exactly how I can say that Manning ignored the run in the second half of the SuperBowl and it cost the Colts the win.

You missing one key stat in both games and that is how much each team touched the ball. The Giants had the ball over 40 minutes in the game and still almost lost on a last second FG. That had more to do with the Giants offence having a couple of long drives to control the clock.

In the Super Bowl the Colts had only 8 drives and they lost one to the onside kick.

This is the what the Colts did in the Super Bowl when they had the ball
1. 11 plays 53 yards -FG
2. 11 plays 96 yards-TD
3. 3 plays 6 yards- punt [ 9 yard pass, -3 run, Garcon drop]
4. 3 plays 9 yards- [3 runs 9 yards]
2nd Half
5. 10 plays 76 yards-TD
6. 11 plays 56 yards- missed FG
7. 7 plays 39 yards- int
8. 9 plays 81 yards- downs

The Colts moved the ball up and down the whole game, the Saints had couple of key 3rd down stop that kept them in the game.