Captain America- Brave New World- trailer (2 Viewers)

[guidomerkinsrules]

What's interesting to me is that - for the general public, not avid comic readers - the rise of the MCU happened with some relatively obscure characters. Iron Man was not who I would've thought would lead the charge - followed by Thor.

I think they got very lucky with casting (or just did a great job casting) and those early movies were just fun as hell and still a solid mix of practical effects and CGI instead of All CGI All the Time.

It's OK to feature a D list character as long as you cast well and tell a good story (duh, I guess).

I think the major difference is that most were excited for and supportive of new superhero/fantasy

now we have an entrenched faction that is anti franchise fantasy regardless of output
I'm not sure if it started as a strictly Disney blowback and then morphed but people's feelings about Disney seem inextricably linked to feelings about Disney whether or not it's actually from Disney

 

[kcirdor]

I think thunderbolts will exceed expectations by a lot

You expect it to exceed 500 million?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

You expect it to exceed 500 million?

I could see it getting a 'decent' opening and really grow from word of mouth
I'm not great at forecasting what that means financially

 

[Booker]

Thunderbolts is built around leftover supporting characters. Who wants to go out to eat leftovers? No one, of course, you eat those at home. Likewise, this movie screams to be streamed at home.

 

[DaveXA]

You expect it to exceed 500 million?

I would be surprised if it does. The Ant Man sequel didn't quite hit $500 million, and the Thunderbolts wouldn't be considered as well-known, so I suspect $250 million to $300 million.

The cornerstone MCU movies like GOTG and Dr. Strange MOM both didn't quite get to a billion, but $800 million plus ain't too shabby.

 

[TheRealJRad]

Ya'll need to put some respect on James Gunn's name when discussing the success of GotG

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Thunderbolts is built around leftover supporting characters. Who wants to go out to eat leftovers? No one, of course, you eat those at home. Likewise, this movie screams to be streamed at home.

The Leftovers is one of the best tv shows ever

So there

 

[Sun Wukong]

We should be at Xmen vs Avengers by now... I don't mind waiting, cause I currently don't really care about the MCU. Deadpool and Wolverine was fun but it mostly focused on all the old Marvel movies with stuff from the MCU (that some fans aren't really up to date on) driving the overall plot. Hell, I watched Guardians of the Galaxy 3 with some friends not long after it came out, and a year later they wanted to know if I wanted to watch Guardians 3 with them.... because they forgot they even watched it. Folks are checking out.

Yeah. Disney acquired Fox right before Endgame came out. Their first order of business should have been to fast track Fantastic Four and X-Men movies. Instead it has taken them 6 years to get a Fantastic Four movie finished and what will be 8 years for X-Men, which is supposed to film next year for a 2027 release.

In the mean time we got a shotgun blast of medicore to terrible movies and TV shows with no actual through line, increasing audience disinterest, nonstarter franchises for characters nobody cared about, and diminishing box office.

This is why they gave RDJ Fort Knox to play Doom. Its stunt casting but totally by design. They are banking on bringing people back with some kind of weird nostalgia bait.

I'll also add that we are headed into Doomsday and Secret Wars with NO major build up, either.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yeah. Disney acquired Fox right before Endgame came out. Their first order of business should have been to fast track Fantastic Four and X-Men movies. Instead it has taken them 6 years to get a Fantastic Four movie finished and what will be 8 years for X-Men, which is supposed to film next year for a 2027 release.

In the mean time we got a shotgun blast of medicore to terrible movies and TV shows with no actual through line, increasing audience disinterest, nonstarter franchises for characters nobody cared about, and diminishing box office.

This is why they gave RDJ Fort Knox to play Doom. Its stunt casting but totally by design. They are banking on bringing people back with some kind of weird nostalgia bait.

I'll also add that we are headed into Doomsday and Secret Wars with NO major build up, either.

I feel this is kind of like the Dennis Allen years
The impulse is to say it didn’t work out so it was a bad idea
But it made sense at the time
The major heroes (and their specific fans) were saturated but there were plenty of threads and also the impulse to broaden fanbase and stories
Made sense but (as I see it) there were 3 main issues
- Marvel had grown a very rigid top down system that didn’t shepherd the new stories well
- a part of fanbase who resisted- in the strongest terms- any attempt to broaden and diversify the stories and characters
- Covid and it’s need for as much content as possible

 

[Booker]

The Leftovers is one of the best tv shows ever

So there

And you watched The Leftovers in the theater or streaming at home?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

And you watched The Leftovers in the theater or streaming at home?

I watched it in a world of imagination

 

[Sun Wukong]

I feel this is kind of like the Dennis Allen years
The impulse is to say it didn’t work out so it was a bad idea
But it made sense at the time
The major heroes (and their specific fans) were saturated but there were plenty of threads and also the impulse to broaden fanbase and stories
Made sense but (as I see it) there were 3 main issues
- Marvel had grown a very rigid top down system that didn’t shepherd the new stories well
- a part of fanbase who resisted- in the strongest terms- any attempt to broaden and diversify the stories and characters
- Covid and it’s need for as much content as possible

Covid is a big part of this, and I think that does go overlooked. I also think that the switch to Bob Chapek as Disney CEO and the "turn the content taps on" mandate to bolster Disney Plus put pressure on Marvel to create a bunch of things they maybe otherwise wouldn't have.

It has been well documented that the last several years saw Feige spread way too thin and unable to give everything the same level of attention he had before.

But all that said, I still have one glaring issue with the last several years, and that's a complete lack of identity as to what the overall goal of this saga is.

Phases 1-3 are now collectively referred to as The Infinity Saga. Obviously not everything in them is about Thanos and the Infinity Stones, but there is a sense of everything building to that. In some movies it's just breadcrumbs or references. In others its establishing storylines for later payoff. In others it's very direct plot and character development.

Phases 4-6 are The Multiverse Saga. Phase 5 ends with Thunderbolts. At this point, entering the final act of the saga, I still have no idea what the Multiverse Saga is or what it is possibly even building to aside from some vague notion of Secret Wars tying it up and maybe acting as a soft reboot in a way. There has been very little forward momentum for the overarching MCU. The multiverse concept has mostly just been used for gimmicks and nostalgia and not as an actual plot device. At this point we know that the multiverse exists and we've gotten a bunch of cameos and returns of other iterations of characters for largely self contained stories. And that's it, basically.

I feel no sense of building to Doomsday or Secret Wars. Everything has just been so scattershot and undercooked.

 

[Rickboy]

After seeing reviews from critics I like, I’m going to wait for this to come out on Disney+. I was hoping BNW would be somewhat as good as Winter Soldier or Civil War but it’s lookin’ like it isn’t even close.

So far, the only super hero flicks I’m interested in is Fantastic Four and Superman. However, Thunderbolts’ trailer was good enough to put it on my radar.