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Meanwhile, in Illinois... The signholder has the gall to say 'I have Jewish friends'... FFS this is repulsive...


 
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Meanwhile, in Illinois... The signholder has the gall to say 'I have Jewish friends'... FFS this is repulsive...





Has anyone doxxed her yet? I think she’s probably crawled back into her hole and hopes that everyone forgets she exists.
 
I always have trouble figuring out if those people are actually that bad or if they're just stupid. Bare with me. To knowingly wield that sign says you're either supporting arguably one of the most evil things that's ever happened or you're so stupid you don't understand what it means. On the flip side someone putting that slogan on a sign indicates they're not stupid at all and it's an intentional message. So which is it? Evil or stupid?
 
I always have trouble figuring out if those people are actually that bad or if they're just stupid. Bare with me. To knowingly wield that sign says you're either supporting arguably one of the most evil things that's ever happened or you're so stupid you don't understand what it means. On the flip side someone putting that slogan on a sign indicates they're not stupid at all and it's an intentional message. So which is it? Evil or stupid?

Evil. You don't come up with that particular slogan, in German no less, out of the blue.
 
We spoke earlier about moving the goalposts with the purpose of lockdowns and restrictions. It was from the beginning supposed to be about allowing the healthcare infrastructure to gather it's capacity and not be overwhelmed. That's been accomplished. Well, if you listen to the city's administration, the restrictions now are about making sure no one gets sick at all, which means they won't really lift restrictions until there is a vaccine or herd immunity, which by the way can't happen if you try to prevent people from getting it altogether. This is utterly ridiculous and is heading towards a form of fascism. New Orleans is so screwed with this mayor. People need to begin to make their own decisions on this. If you want to ride it out at home go for it. Life otherwise has to go on. Her plans do not appear to be a workable solution at all and would have the majority of the population dependent on handouts while the city's economy is utterly destroyed. What's the over/under on the city doubling down again while the rest of the state lifts more restrictions on the 15th? We can't have people eating at tables outside or going to church you know.

 
We spoke earlier about moving the goalposts with the purpose of lockdowns and restrictions. It was from the beginning supposed to be about allowing the healthcare infrastructure to gather it's capacity and not be overwhelmed. That's been accomplished. Well, if you listen to the city's administration, the restrictions now are about making sure no one gets sick at all, which means they won't really lift restrictions until there is a vaccine or herd immunity, which by the way can't happen if you try to prevent people from getting it altogether. This is utterly ridiculous and is heading towards a form of fascism. New Orleans is so screwed with this mayor. People need to begin to make their own decisions on this. If you want to ride it out at home go for it. Life otherwise has to go on. Her plans do not appear to be a workable solution at all and would have the majority of the population dependent on handouts while the city's economy is utterly destroyed. What's the over/under on the city doubling down again while the rest of the state lifts more restrictions on the 15th? We can't have people eating at tables outside or going to church you know.


The phased approach using data trends is the method the White House has developed and is now encouraging - and I think many states, cities, and organizations are using it to some degree.

I have needed to look at the White House plan to understand the re-opening plan for a large organization that I do legal work for . . . I have only been asked to spot (tort) liability concerns but I have reviewed the plans and they're based on (1) requiring case and test trends to hit certain metrics to get through the "gate" in to the next phase; (2) continued use of some mitigation measures - some in a sliding scale of impact - to protect the vulnerable groups that include the elderly and healthcare workers, and (3) monitoring the situation as a function of health-care capacity.

The New Orleans plan public website doesn't state the specific metrics (there probably is a more detailed plan that isn't on the site), but the White House plan includes, for example, that phase 1 cannot begin until there is a downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period or a downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period (flat or increasing volume of tests). And phase 1 is a limited opening, it's not a immediate return with a few casual measures still around.

I didn't watch her press conference but is that where you're getting the "zero new infections" baseline that you're claiming? How is the New Orleans plan different from the White House guidance?


 
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I always have trouble figuring out if those people are actually that bad or if they're just stupid. Bare with me. To knowingly wield that sign says you're either supporting arguably one of the most evil things that's ever happened or you're so stupid you don't understand what it means. On the flip side someone putting that slogan on a sign indicates they're not stupid at all and it's an intentional message. So which is it? Evil or stupid?
there is a convergence point for those 2 ideas
 
The phased approach using data trends is the method the White House has developed and is now encouraging - and I think many states, cities, and organizations using it to some degree.

I have needed to look at the White House plan to understand the re-opening plan for a large organization that I do legal work for . . . I have only been asked to spot (tort) liability concerns but I have reviewed the plans and they're based on (1) requiring case and test trends to hit certain metrics to get through the "gate" in to the next phase; (2) continued use of some mitigation measures - some in a sliding scale of impact - to protect the vulnerable groups that include the elderly and healthcare workers, and (3) monitoring the situation as a function of health-care capacity.

The New Orleans plan public website doesn't state the specific metrics (there probably is a more detailed plan that isn't on the site), but the White House plan includes, for example, that phase 1 cannot begin until there is a downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period or a downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period (flat or increasing volume of tests). And phase 1 is a limited opening, it's not a immediate return with a few casual measures still around.

I didn't watch her press conference but is that where you're getting the "zero new infections" baseline that you're claiming? How is the New Orleans plan different from the White House guidance?




As I read the quotes, the City is saying that they don't really think their own guidelines should actually govern phased reopening. They're just going to put off any type of reopening as long as possible.

Which makes sense from a purely public health standpoint, I guess, but ignores reality in a lot of ways, and the city's ability to enforce a lockdown is going to get much harder very soon.

After the city's press conference Friday, Cantrell's administration released its initial, phased approach, noting it aligns with state and federal guidelines.

It includes public health milestones that must be met before the city eases restrictions. They include a decline in cases, increased testing, robust isolation and healthcare capacity.
“Those things are in place, which is great, but that’s like our safety net,” Dr. Bruce Wilson, M.D. said.


Wilson works at West Jefferson hospital and has a background in public health.

"If we say, 'okay, we checked all these boxes. Let's get to the goal line.' That's us running towards the goal line thinking we're going to score a touchdown but then getting fancy and not really taking charge of the goal at hand," Wilson explained. "Then getting captured by the defender, getting caught by the virus again."

Wilson says more data is needed and that means, more time, especially for a city slammed early on with the virus. He says that's why the city's plan doesn't have a timeline. Wilson says whether to proceed to the next phase will depend on how the community progresses.

Basically the guidelines say we could have started Phase 1 last week but the City wants to wait. OK, whatever, but quit BSing about how you're using the federal guidelines.
 
As I read the quotes, the City is saying that they don't really think their own guidelines should actually govern phased reopening. They're just going to put off any type of reopening as long as possible.

Which makes sense from a purely public health standpoint, I guess, but ignores reality in a lot of ways, and the city's ability to enforce a lockdown is going to get much harder very soon.

Basically the guidelines say we could have started Phase 1 last week but the City wants to wait. OK, whatever, but quit BSing about how you're using the federal guidelines.

I certainly agree that if they claim they're using data/metric-based milestones, tell us what those are. They're numbers, they're not judgment . . . so give us the numbers. OR don't characterize that way.
 
I personally will believe in the use of masks. I look at a place like Japan that has a culture of using masks. This virus should be causing havoc over there, worse tham NYC and yet, it hasnt. If those people sneeze wrong, they put themselves in a mask.

Sure they can fudge numbers and under test to hide how bad it is, but you cant hide it long as we saw in China. Japan is also a country with a ton of old people as well

Japan is lying. They have been full of it since the very beginning as they tried to cling on to hope for the Olympics. I don't trust anything coming out of there.

Not commentary on masks at all. I think everyone should wear them. They cause almost zero inconvenience to the wearer. The trade off between "what's the drawback of doing it" to the potential benefit from wearing a mask makes it absolutely ridiculous and/or selfish for someone not to wear one. It's a piece of cloth over your face. If you have trouble breathing through cloth, you are in a very, very high risk cohort and you shouldn't be out of your house anyway.

I'm just saying Japan is lying.
 
Japan is lying. They have been full of it since the very beginning as they tried to cling on to hope for the Olympics. I don't trust anything coming out of there.

Not commentary on masks at all. I think everyone should wear them. They cause almost zero inconvenience to the wearer. The trade off between "what's the drawback of doing it" to the potential benefit from wearing a mask makes it absolutely ridiculous and/or selfish for someone not to wear one. It's a piece of cloth over your face. If you have trouble breathing through cloth, you are in a very, very high risk cohort and you shouldn't be out of your house anyway.

I'm just saying Japan is lying.
I will say the home made masks can be much harder to breath through, especially when talking. Surgical style masks are far easier.
 
The phased approach using data trends is the method the White House has developed and is now encouraging - and I think many states, cities, and organizations using it to some degree.

I have needed to look at the White House plan to understand the re-opening plan for a large organization that I do legal work for . . . I have only been asked to spot (tort) liability concerns but I have reviewed the plans and they're based on (1) requiring case and test trends to hit certain metrics to get through the "gate" in to the next phase; (2) continued use of some mitigation measures - some in a sliding scale of impact - to protect the vulnerable groups that include the elderly and healthcare workers, and (3) monitoring the situation as a function of health-care capacity.

The New Orleans plan public website doesn't state the specific metrics (there probably is a more detailed plan that isn't on the site), but the White House plan includes, for example, that phase 1 cannot begin until there is a downward trajectory of documented cases within a 14-day period or a downward trajectory of positive tests as a percent of total tests within a 14-day period (flat or increasing volume of tests). And phase 1 is a limited opening, it's not a immediate return with a few casual measures still around.

I didn't watch her press conference but is that where you're getting the "zero new infections" baseline that you're claiming? How is the New Orleans plan different from the White House guidance?



I read the article in which there is no language about medical capacity but there is certainly language about fearing that people or pockets of people will get sick. That will happen when we open things up and it simply has to happen. Waiting for no risk is not an option. The other concern I have is the talk of establishing a number. It's currently set at 10 for public gatherings, which effectively means churches are closed, nevermind the fact that liquor stores and rouses are packed. The quotes in the article talk about 10 and 20 person gatherings when the national guidelines being followed by the state suggest we ought to open to 25% or capacity for restaurants and churches, likely on the 15th. The language the city is using does not lead me to believe this will be allowed.

A vaccine is not necessarily likely. And if we get one it will likely be on a timetable of years. Herd immunity by definition only happens when people are allowed to be exposed. The city's current plan is no plan at all.
 
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