COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

[efil4stnias]

Death happens. I am well aware. The point of the stay at home strategy was not supposed to be about preventing it.

It was to get us to a point to then move to a mitigated reopening. With that, masking up and social distancing is required.

That isn't happening. People are selfish and stubborn by nature. No empathy for others. Therefore when you go to the grocery, you see 3/4 with no mask, and no real commitment to keeping their fellow neighbor safe.

So that's what you are left with. An inevitable spike that will put us back to square 1.and those fortunate enough to keep it away first go round, may not be as lucky 2nd or 3rd.

If people wish to ride a bike with no helmet, they don't get to complain that the head injury hurts.

Folks are being asked to do some really simple stuff.still can't accomplish even 70% participation.

 

[superchuck500]

It was to get us to a point to then move to a mitigated reopening. With that, masking up and social distancing is required.

That isn't happening. People are selfish and stubborn by nature. No empathy for others. Therefore when you go to the grocery, you see 3/4 with no mask, and no real commitment to keeping their fellow neighbor safe.

So that's what you are left with. An inevitable spike that will put us back to square 1.and those fortunate enough to keep it away first go round, may not be as lucky 2nd or 3rd.

If people wish to ride a bike with no helmet, they don't get to complain that the head injury hurts.

Folks are being asked to do some really simple stuff.still can't accomplish even 70% participation.

Hey - don’t tread on me.

 

[Brennan77]

I think a lot of the LaToya hate over her handling of this has been overblown. But now she wants businesses to keep customer logs of everyone who enters...and that is so far over the line that she can't even see the line any more. What the Fork!?

Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

 

[efil4stnias]

Hey - don’t tread on me.

Apparently so.

Kinda disappointed that we can't get half of the folks to put a simple cloth mask on and if you do, ur somehow a pawn in the deep state game.

 

[efil4stnias]

Nothing to see here. Move along, citizen.

Contact tracing is my guess.

 

[Xeno]

I think a lot of the LaToya hate over her handling of this has been overblown. But now she wants businesses to keep customer logs of everyone who enters...and that is so far over the line that she can't even see the line any more. What the Fork!?

It's called contact tracing and it's a lot easier when you have many sources doing it as opposed to spending a lot of money hiring people to track it all down after the fact.

 

[superchuck500]

Contact tracing is my guess.

Yeah, it’s clearly for that.

Not sure how feasible it is on a 14-day window but other places have done it and it is considered “by the book” of outbreak control. But I think contact tracing is a containment tool, not a mitigation tool.

We’re well past containment and have no real will to go back.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Turfie]

These two articles kind of play off of each other. I have been saying through this thread that i was almost certain this virus was in Louisiana in Mid December. Some posters posed the question then how come the hospitals were not getting overrun? Well now we might know. Maybe it was a less contagious strain? The kind that go around daycares where i’m almost positive our family got it.

Also other possible reasons for hospitals to not be overrun in the true beginning.

I think the beginning we had a small number of localized cases. A singular match in certain areas of the country. The spread was very slow.

In March, the introduction of numerous cases happened. The inoculum was intense. And spread very fast.,

I still stand by my statement that this made landfall very early. I still predict late November and early December. Thanksgiving travel made it global imo.

 

[mb504]

It's called contact tracing and it's a lot easier when you have many sources doing it as opposed to spending a lot of money hiring people to track it all down after the fact.

I've avoided my family and friends for seven plus weeks now. I go to the neighborhood grocery store or drug store maybe twice a week. My family has ordered takeout once a week on every Friday night. I've been compliant as fork. I'm an outright socialist on the political board. But entering my name on a login sheet at forking Walgreens so that can be passed along to the authorities is a bit much for me to accept.

 

[Xeno]

I've avoided my family and friends for seven plus weeks now. I go to the neighborhood grocery store or drug store maybe twice a week. My family has ordered takeout once a week on every Friday night. I've been compliant as fork. I'm an outright socialist on the political board. But entering my name on a login sheet at forking Walgreens so that can be passed along to the authorities is a bit much for me to accept.

Except that's not what's happening. What's happening is if/when you or anybody else who signed their name on that list tests positive for COVID-19, you and everybody else on that list can be informed that you may have been exposed. If you're so worried about being tracked, I suggest tossing out your cell phone because it's a lot easier to track you with that than a sign-in sheet.

 

[superchuck500]

Also other possible reasons for hospitals to not be overrun in the true beginning.

I think the beginning we had a small number of localized cases. A singular match in certain areas of the country. The spread was very slow.

In March, the introduction of numerous cases happened. The inoculum was intense. And spread very fast.,

I still stand by my statement that this made landfall very early. I still predict late November and early December. Thanksgiving travel made it global imo.

I haven’t seen any genome analysis that has the virus in the US before January.

Why would Thanksgiving travel make a virus in Wuhan, China go global?

 

[0rion]

So it is curious that the curve moves on 7-day cycle like that - but what is the real premise here with the 'weekend' line? Certainly it isn't that the virus is somehow less lethal on weekends - that's silly.

So it must be that somehow we just report fewer Covid deaths on the weekends because of some human factor - but what? Are hospitals and public health officials workin' for the weekend, and they go out and party, leaving the numbers to the B team? Hospitals and public health officials don't really take weekends off.

Plus, if you look at the dates of those dips, the last three bottoms occur on Mondays (and this week looks like Tuesday) - not actually on the weekend. If it's some kind of 'weekend' theory, why would Monday record the fewest?

At the same time, it certainly does show three of the last four dip bottoms to be Mondays, and the fourth was a Sunday. So what's going on?

I'm not entirely sure what goes on with the reporting but it drives me crazy. Our local numbers are the same. There's always a dip in Sunday and sometimes it comes back Monday but usually it's Tuesday or Wednesday but it does come back. There's definitely something off on weekend reports and it's specifically Sundays.

 

[Brennan77]

It's called contact tracing and it's a lot easier when you have many sources doing it as opposed to spending a lot of money hiring people to track it all down after the fact.

I know what it's called. I'm just not sure why it's not more terrifying than dying on a ventilator to you. And I'm not exaggerating. I do not want to live in that sort of world and I will do everything in my power to ensure my daughters don't grow up in it either. I've never been hyper political, trending toward the philosophical ideals myself. But I will not willfully participate in a violation of my family's inherent rights. The mayor of New Orleans does not need to trace my every move and I'll lose everything I have to leave the city before complying with that sort of sheet.

 

[Xeno]

I know what it's called. I'm just not sure why it's not more terrifying than dying on a ventilator to you. And I'm not exaggerating. I do not want to live in that sort of world and I will do everything in my power to ensure my daughters don't grow up in it either. I've never been hyper political, trending toward the philosophical ideals myself. But I will not willfully participate in a violation of my family's inherent rights. The mayor of New Orleans does not need to trace my every move and I'll lose everything I have to leave the city before complying with that sort of shirt.

Then start packing because this doesn't violate any of your rights, human or constitutional. Part of being part of society is looking out for each other and if writing your name on a piece of paper so that medical professionals can contact the places you've been to inform other people they may have been exposed is too much for you, there's a whole lot of empty space out there with nobody around.