COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

[Goatman Saint]

An uptick is expected. The point of a lockdown is not to prevent that. Or have we forgotten? Even those who managed the ICUs, who will not speak of the horror they attended to, are saying that the goal of the stay at home orders have been accomplished and that it is time to move on to living again.

I’m sure you’re correct. It’s all winding down. Just a few left and everything will be done and back to normal. It’s not like we ever have to do this again.

 

[Brennan77]

Then start packing because this doesn't violate any of your rights, human or constitutional. Part of being part of society is looking out for each other and if writing your name on a piece of paper so that medical professionals can contact the places you've been to inform other people they may have been exposed is too much for you, there's a whole lot of empty space out there with nobody around.

I suggest you read a couple of dystopian novels from the 20th century because it appears to be our reality. I am currently trusting in the good nature and sensibility of our citizens to not comply with such an order. I doubt many local businesses will as they'd lose many customers.

 

[bonnjer]

Hospitals and public health officials don't really take weekends off.

I'm probably going to hell for it, but I chuckled at this when an image popped into my head of all the doctors and nurses clocking out at 5 on Friday, shouting down the hall to the patients, "See yall Monday."

 

[SaintRob]

 

[Brennan77]

I’m sure you’re correct. It’s all winding down. Just a few left and everything will be done and back to normal. It’s not like we ever have to do this again.

No. It is like we will do this again. The only way forward is through it. So I'm not sure why anyone is convinced that staying home while everyone's livelihoods is destroyed is a valid option.

 

[Xeno]

I suggest you read a couple of dystopian novels from the 20th century because it appears to be our reality. I am currently trusting in the good nature and sensibility of our citizens to not comply with such an order. I doubt many local businesses will as they'd lose many customers.

Your paranoia doesn't trump other people's right to be informed if they've been exposed to a potentially deadly virus. I've read plenty of dystopian novels and this doesn't even come close. This is literally the bare minimum we can do for each other, it's unreal that some people aren't even willing to do that.

 

[Goatman Saint]

I suggest you read a couple of dystopian novels from the 20th century because it appears to be our reality. I am currently trusting in the good nature and sensibility of our citizens to not comply with such an order. I doubt many local businesses will as they'd lose many customers.

Ahh yes the new America. Freedom with no responsibility. Gotta love it.

 

[superchuck500]

I know what it's called. I'm just not sure why it's not more terrifying than dying on a ventilator to you. And I'm not exaggerating. I do not want to live in that sort of world and I will do everything in my power to ensure my daughters don't grow up in it either. I've never been hyper political, trending toward the philosophical ideals myself. But I will not willfully participate in a violation of my family's inherent rights. The mayor of New Orleans does not need to trace my every move and I'll lose everything I have to leave the city before complying with that sort of shirt.

I get that it’s offensive to you and I’m not gonna tell you that’s a bad reaction - I get it. It’s powerful.

I do wonder, though, what purpose you’re so concerned about? New Orleans is barely functional as it is, including law enforcement - how is it going to somehow turn into some efficient gestapo because Walgreen’s keeps a log of customers? At most, it’s likely to trigger a push alert and possibly a phone call with a recorded message that you may have been exposed and should report any symptoms.

Like I said earlier, I have my doubts about the effectiveness of contact tracing at this point anyway - but it is a legitimate outbreak response tool, implementing it doesn’t imply some fascist alternative/unstated objective of subjugation.

 

[Poison]

As to contact tracing - the federal government here has asked Australians to download a COVID19 app which keeps track of the user's movements and then enables the government to work out when the user may have come into contact with an infected person. So far about 5-6 million people have downloaded it and signed up.
I am always a bit apprehensive about the collection/security of data with respect to initiatives like this, but I guess Facebook, Apple and Google already have access to this information if they wanted it. You've only got to check your "System Services > Significant Locations" data to know your personal iPhone is perpetually recording where you are (and with greater precision as I understand it).

I am not sure such an initiative would ever fly in the US given the skepticism with which the government is viewed among certain segments of the population, but it seems like a better plan than requiring business owners to write down the names of people who enter their store.

 

[mb504]

I know that you guys mean well and are defending the mayor's contact tracing idea in good faith, and I've been drinking Modelo Especials since 6 pm because of a faux American ethnic "holiday," but the idea of businesses logging every customer who enters their premises for any reason and providing that information to the government is about as creepy as it gets. If I owned a business I would tell the mayor to pound sand. Once the government deputizes private business owners to stop citizens and collect information on its behalf I check out. Y'all are going to turn me into an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse.

 

[Xeno]

I know that you guys mean well and are defending the mayor's contact tracing idea in good faith, and I've been drinking Modelo Especials since 6 pm because of a faux American ethnic "holiday," but the idea of businesses logging every customer who enters their premises for any reason and providing that information to the government is about as creepy as it gets. If I owned a business I would tell the mayor to pound sand. Once the government deputizes private business owners to stop citizens and collect information on its behalf I check out. Y'all are going to turn me into an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse.

It isn't meant to be provided to the government. It's meant to be provided to hospitals if and when they need to inform people about potential exposure. If the city or NOPD start collecting the lists then you may have reason to be concerned. But as of now the only thing the city has done is tell businesses they need to keep these logs because it's in the public interest, and I would expect any business to tell the city the lists will only be provided to medical professionals.

 

[Saint_Ward]

No. It is like we will do this again. The only way forward is through it. So I'm not sure why anyone is convinced that staying home while everyone's livelihoods is destroyed is a valid option.

Not everyone's.

I think you're being a bit hyperbolic about this and that's not like you.

 

[B4YOU]

I know that you guys mean well and are defending the mayor's contact tracing idea in good faith, and I've been drinking Modelo Especials since 6 pm because of a faux American ethnic "holiday," but the idea of businesses logging every customer who enters their premises for any reason and providing that information to the government is about as creepy as it gets. If I owned a business I would tell the mayor to pound sand. Once the government deputizes private business owners to stop citizens and collect information on its behalf I check out. Y'all are going to turn me into an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse.

Y’all realize that businesses already do this. The groceries with loyalty cards track every item you purchase and tie that to your phone number. If there is a recall on a product, then they can contact you to inform you of the recall. In a public health emergency, no grocery is refusing to turnover contact info to the government.

 

[gavinj]

“Just tracing your contacts in order to keep you safe,” they said.

 

[Dago]

So 3 doctors in Russia that have complained about work conditions have "fallen" from high up windows

Three Russian doctors fall from hospital windows, raising questions amid coronavirus pandemic

Three frontline health care workers have mysteriously fallen out of hospital windows in Russia over the past two weeks, heightening public attention to the working conditions for doctors and medical professionals amid the coronavirus pandemic.

www.cnn.com