COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (4 Viewers)

[Optimus Prime]

For the Chavez family and many others in California’s fertile San Joaquin Valley, bottled water is the toilet paper of their coronavirus pandemic — an everyday necessity that vanished from supermarket shelves.

In the Navajo Nation, where about a third of the population lacks indoor plumbing, volunteers are creating public hand-washing stations by repurposing detergent bottles as makeshift faucets.

And Jessica Endicott, who lives in the tiny community of Turkey Creek in eastern Kentucky, said the virus has exacerbated distrust of the local water, which leaves her skin red and itchy every time she bathes.

Having plundered several major cities, the novel coronavirus is taking root in marginalized rural communities. Many of them lack clean water, making it impossible for residents to shelter at home or wash their hands frequently.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/americans-are-told-to-wash-hands-to-fight-coronavirus-but-some-dont-trust-the-tap/2020/05/04/ca1ffd1c-87d3-11ea-ac8a-fe9b8088e101_story.html

 

[Turfie]

I haven’t seen any genome analysis that has the virus in the US before January.

Why would Thanksgiving travel make a virus in Wuhan, China go global?

My understanding is that more and more younger individuals in China celebrate thanksgiving. Younger individuals may Have a better chance to stay asymptomatic.

I then think about all the flights from Wuhan to Beijing and Shanghai. Then all the flights from those cities directly to the US. And Thanksgiving being one of the busiest air travel times of the year. That’s where I’m coming from.

 

[efil4stnias]

No. It is like we will do this again. The only way forward is through it. So I'm not sure why anyone is convinced that staying home while everyone's livelihoods is destroyed is a valid option.

What's the other option? Open back up with no plan in place for when the outbreak returns?

This is EXACTLY what a pandemic looks and feels like.

You have no control over the virus other than to protect you and your loved ones from catching. Thru social distancing and mask wearing, mitigation is key. Unfortunately many of your neighbors could give two shirts about your well being and claim mask wearing and social distancing is totalitarian. Some deepstate form of control over the citizenry.

I'm not sure what to say to any of yall that feel the way you do other than to say I'm sad you feel that way.

 

[efil4stnias]

I know that you guys mean well and are defending the mayor's contact tracing idea in good faith, and I've been drinking Modelo Especials since 6 pm because of a faux American ethnic "holiday," but the idea of businesses logging every customer who enters their premises for any reason and providing that information to the government is about as creepy as it gets. If I owned a business I would tell the mayor to pound sand. Once the government deputizes private business owners to stop citizens and collect information on its behalf I check out. Y'all are going to turn me into an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse.

May I suggest dropping the alcohol and start smoking weed? It will certainly curb that obnoxious stupor alcohol gives folks.

As to the issue, as others have pointed out, you give your info each time you use your debit or credit card. If the GUBMNET wanted, they could just pull the records electronically but THAT would be construed as some sort of over reach too.

So they are appealing to your humanity (or what's left of it post Modelos) if you ain't got none, that's on you. Pay cash, give em a fake name. Don't care. But rest assured, giving your name at a biz should be really low on your list of things to worry about moving forward.

 

[superchuck500]

My understanding is that more and more younger individuals in China celebrate thanksgiving. Younger individuals may Have a better chance to stay asymptomatic.

I then think about all the flights from Wuhan to Beijing and Shanghai. Then all the flights from those cities directly to the US. And Thanksgiving being one of the busiest air travel times of the year. That’s where I’m coming from.

It would still be traceable in the viral genome phylogeny - but it isn't there.

auspice

nextstrain.org

 

[bonnjer]

hahahahaha, you think we can’t track you.. that’s cute.

But more seriously, you’d have to leave your phone at home or turn it off and put it in a Faraday cage PERMANENTLY. You’re tracked whether you like it or not.

Online, from your personal PC, you perhaps have some options if you use a VPN but even then there are ways to track you.

Yep, that whole "permissions" thing on apps? That's just there to make you feel better about the "control" of you have over your data. Your data is worth more than anything.

 

[Taurus]

Yep, that whole "permissions" thing on apps? That's just there to make you feel better about the "control" of you have over your data. Your data is worth more than anything.

If a Presidential candidate (all save one, anyhow) were to support allowing you to copyright your life data and force any company using it for profit to cut you in, I'd vote for 'em in a heartbeat.

 

[St. Geezy]

 

[StudioSaint]

...claim mask wearing and social distancing is totalitarian.

Yeah, the protest that orders requiring face masks are unconstitutional and fascist really baffle me.

I wonder if these same people would support a protest against anti-nudity laws as being unconstitutional and fascist.

Why have they never protested "no shirt, no shoes, no service" restrictions?

 

[Saint_Ward]

Like I mentioned to you the other day, it is not just simply gaining hospital capacity though. Not sure where this sense comes from? I guess the emphasis in the media? But that is simply one pillar. Perhaps the most popular and most crucial first step because it was the most pressing, but by no means all that matters. At least according to the experts, economic and scientific.

Without a sustained drop in cases(almost every major expert plan uses 14 days of a major and continual sustained decline in cases), to go hand in hand with a robust testing and tracing system that won’t be overwhelmed by significantly high case loads, all of which are mentioned as the foundation of every major expert strategy I have come across, from the Harvard Working Group, the CDC and White House guidelines, The American Enterprise Institute or The Center For American Progress. All you are doing without that crucial step is playing Russian Roulette with people’s lives by reopening when you have no mechanism to control the spread of the anticipated resurgence.

I'll use a simple example.

Feb 1 the USA had 8 confirmed cases (obviously we had more).

March 1 the USA had 30 confirmed cases.

April 1 the USA could have had approximately 500k-1M cases, but ended up with 213k confirmed cases.

May 1 the USA had 1.1Million confirmed cases.

As of yesterday we have 1.2M confirmed cases. So, in 4-5 days, we've added 100k new cases.

Now, let's peel off the deaths and reported recoveries. 71k deaths, almost 190k recovered. That leaves about 944k active known infections in the USA.

If we "just open up", which I really do hope most people aren't suggesting. We will be overwhelmed within a week or two.

"I'm not suggesting we get back down to 8-30 cases, but look at how fast those grew out of control. That level of "normal" is not something we can just go back to. We need a new "normal", at least for a while. Not without a massive testing effort, tracing (so yes, if they ask you where you've been, answer, or write it down), and effective quarantine of those infected and those at-risk should consider limiting exposure.

I suggest everyone get a little sun if they can. Call a friend. Call a parent or grand parent.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Anyone who thinks there's still wide-reaching empathy, a sense of community, or shared self-sacrifice in this country has been dozing off for the last 30 years and sound asleep the last 3.

 

[Taurus]

I'll use a simple example.

Feb 1 the USA had 8 confirmed cases (obviously we had more).

March 1 the USA had 30 confirmed cases.

April 1 the USA could have had approximately 500k-1M cases, but ended up with 213k confirmed cases.

May 1 the USA had 1.1Million confirmed cases.

As of yesterday we have 1.2M confirmed cases. So, in 4-5 days, we've added 100k new cases.

Now, let's peel off the deaths and reported recoveries. 71k deaths, almost 190k recovered. That leaves about 944k active known infections in the USA.

If we "just open up", which I really do hope most people aren't suggesting. We will be overwhelmed within a week or two.

"I'm not suggesting we get back down to 8-30 cases, but look at how fast those grew out of control. That level of "normal" is not something we can just go back to. We need a new "normal", at least for a while. Not without a massive testing effort, tracing (so yes, if they ask you where you've been, answer, or write it down), and effective quarantine of those infected and those at-risk should consider limiting exposure.

I suggest everyone get a little sun if they can. Call a friend. Call a parent or grand parent.

Remember how testing is both a week behind and woefully inadequate even still. That 944k is more like 8-10 million.

 

[gavinj]

"When you get older in life, you tend to get very careful, and a little more fearful," Payton said, according to players and staffers who were there. "You start thinking about your own mortality. If it rains outside you might not go to the store, especially at night. You figure you'll just wait it out. You might have somewhere to go and you tell yourself I don't want to go there. You don't want to get in a wreck.

"If you keep hitting him (on Sunday) he'll make a mistake. If we keep putting pressure on him (Sunday night) he'll start being careful, he'll start doing anything he can to avoid getting hit and he'll make a mistake. I promise you, if we hit him for four quarters, he'll turn into that old man who's scared of the rain."

 

[bonnjer]

Anyone who thinks there's still wide-reaching empathy, a sense of community, or shared self-sacrifice in this country has been dozing off for the last 30 years and sound asleep the last 3.

Correct. In general, there is no concern for neighbor and we are more fractured than ever.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

An interesting phenomenon is the cultural treatment of masks/face coverings. Less than 3 weeks ago it was something that a few people did, and the general advice I was reading said that outside of the n95 masks, not really effective. Sort of a fig leaf kind of thing.

Now they are obviously much more common and businesses and governments are making them mandatory in certain situations - which I understand - guidance changes over time, etc. I still think its more psychological than physical but I certainly get the basics of covering your mouth to slow transmission.

But what's really interesting is the dramatic shift of cultural shaming that's happening - we went from 20% of people in masks and focusing on social distancing to WHY ARE YOU TRYING TO MURDER EVERYONE ELSE WITH YOUR FACE! The Krewe of Karen on Nextdoor is on. the. case.

I tried to get tacos from Felipes Uptown last night - it was a total disaster- there was a large crowd in the parking lot - 90% wearing masks, but I kinda think the masks give people a false sense of security - because half of the crowd was within 5 feet of another person - almost no social distancing.

I dunno, just something I've been noticing.