COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (3 Viewers)

[Sun Wukong]

Anyone who thinks there's still wide-reaching empathy, a sense of community, or shared self-sacrifice in this country has been dozing off for the last 30 years and sound asleep the last 3.

The average american is selfish and ignorant. Anyone playing the "people will still do the right thing" card watches too many movies.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

The a averae american is selfish and ignorant. Anyone playing the "people will still do the right thing" card watches too many movies.

People are much more likely to do the right thing when their leaders are leading them to do the right thing.

 

[gavinj]

I’ve been eating in restaurants here in Texas for the past few days. It’s great. They have taken out half the tables. There’s huge spaces in between them. The servers wear masks, disposable paper menus have replaced the plastic reusable menus.

Everybody’s in a great mood and it seemed a heck of a lot safer than going to the grocery store actually. So c’mon in, the water’s fine.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

The next couple of months are going to make March and April look like a walk in the park. So much stupidity going around.

herd immunity will never beat herd stupidity

 

[St. Widge]

I know that you guys mean well and are defending the mayor's contact tracing idea in good faith, and I've been drinking Modelo Especials since 6 pm because of a faux American ethnic "holiday," but the idea of businesses logging every customer who enters their premises for any reason and providing that information to the government is about as creepy as it gets. If I owned a business I would tell the mayor to pound sand. Once the government deputizes private business owners to stop citizens and collect information on its behalf I check out. Y'all are going to turn me into an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse.

Will you be refusing to answer the Census? This is probably much less intrusive than Census questions.

I really didn't want to get into this because many seem to be so emotional about this but, I am more or less an insufferable libertarian butt crevasse, so I get the serious privacy concerns here, but it's not even clear that the U.S. Constitution actually protects privacy. It certainly doesn't explicitly protect it. Although it is certainly possible that it's a penumbra right, as I know you know. But, I'm not really sure what rights this violates and even if it does violate one. You know that it's a balancing test. And you could probably make a good argument that this is narrowly tailored to achieve a specific goal during a state of emergency. It's not like NOPD is going to be at the door checking your papers. It's likely that the information you provide won't even be verified by anyone so you could just give a false name and number if you find it that big of a deal.

I was a lot more bothered by LaToya telling NOPD to set up pretext check points to check for seat belt violations and then having NOPD get in people's faces to remind them to stay home. I mean, that actually implicated the 4th Amendment since it probably counted as a search done by NOPD. You know they were looking for any excuse to search any car that they though met the profile of a drug user/dealer. On the other hand, this isn't a search and it isn't being done by NOPD or any government official. So, I don't think the 4th Amendment would apply.

And I'll add that it's no different from what Florida is doing at their border and nobody seemed to express outrage when buzd explained the process he went through when entering Florida.

Edit: Also, you would know more about this than me since I think you are a former Public Defender or DA, but couldn't NOPD just subpoena records from stores and then get information from credit card receipts, information provided for bonus reward programs, etc. if they wanted to? I mean, it would be much slower and likely not effective in contact tracing because it is so slow, but I think they could do it anyway. And, I get that at least you have the procedural protection of having a judge signing the Warrant, but this way is much faster and neither NOPD, the City, or anyone else, other than store employees, may ever see the information.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Remember how testing is both a week behind and woefully inadequate even still. That 944k is more like 8-10 million.

Possibly. However, that muddies the point.

The point is that the second wave will come hard and fast if we're impatient and act rashly on this.

 

[SaintInBucLand]

Remember how testing is both a week behind and woefully inadequate even still. That 944k is more like 8-10 million.

So that means the mortality rate is far lower. Thank you for pointing that out.

 

[BobE]

So do I go ahead and get the groceries for my neighbor today or go ahead and tell her to piss off? This thread has me conflicted now.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Yesterday I posted the Louisiana Comorbidity data. New York makes it a bit harder to grab the data, but here it is, by age. It's interesting to see where the shift happens in age. If I get time, I'll try to convert all of this into percentages.

Under the age of 20, they had 2 deaths. The youngest had hypertension, the one between 10-19 had diabetes.

Diabetes is the top comorbidity until you hit 40. Even from 30-40, hypertension becomes a big factor. Under 29, Diabetes is the primary one.

At 40 -49 Hypertension, followed by Diabetes are the top two, then Renal Disease pops up. Hyperlipidemia also pops up (probably just true for that age bracket as a whole)

50-59 those same four comorbidities are running with hypertension and diabetes being far and away the top comorbidities.

The higher age groups are similar, except you add in more significant hyperlipidemia, coronary artery disease, Dimentia, COPD, and all the others.

I'm not a doctor, but I'd say, this makes sense. The 'crashing' we see is due to oxygen delivery suffering. So, I believe High blood pressure, and clearly hyperlipidemia/coronary artery disease, impact our oxygen delivery system in the body. I found this, which is about air pressure, but having high blood pressure limits the body's ability to adjust to being in low air pressure at high altitudes. Sounds like Exercise and diet could save a lot of lives. @sammymvpknight any thoughts to this? I'd also imaging doing anything to increase lung capacity would help. I remember doing a test on our lungs before and after playing our wind instruments in band.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180220212047.htm

 

[Optimus Prime]

A Dallas salon owner who has refused to close her shop despite multiple court orders has now been sentenced to a week in jail. A judge Tuesday called Shelley Luther's open defiance of social distancing orders "flagrant and intentional" and said she felt no "remorse or regret" for her actions.

According to court documents, Luther was sentenced to seven days in jail for violating a temporary restraining order to close her business and fined $500 each to the county's criminal and civil courts for every day the salon remained open. She openly violated the governor's stay-at-home order, an effort to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Luther, the owner of Salon À la Mode and Hot Mess Enterprises, gained national attention for opening her salon in April after her city and county ordered the closure of all non-essential businesses in March. She has said she opposed the stay-at-home order for financial reasons and publicly ripped up one of the court orders at a protest with more than 100 others.…………..

MSN

 

[Saint_Ward]

So do I go ahead and get the groceries for my neighbor today or go ahead and tell her to piss off? This thread has me conflicted now.

If she's unable to go, or at a higher risk, then I see no issue.

Wear a mask, wash your hands, drop off the groceries outside her home. If she's like we are, we wipe everything down with a lysol wipe (as much as reasonable).

Just stick to a fairly sanitized protocol and there are no issues. But, what made you conflicted here?

 

[Dago]

So do I go ahead and get the groceries for my neighbor today or go ahead and tell her to piss off? This thread has me conflicted now.

you have the option of telling someone to piss off and you are actually having to think about it?

anytime telling someone to piss off is on the board, that's the direction I am going

 

[mb504]

May I suggest dropping the alcohol and start smoking weed? It will certainly curb that obnoxious stupor alcohol gives folks.

I would really, really love to have that option and would gladly do it if I could walk into a dispensary and buy it. I don't have a vendor that I trust, can't risk shopping for it from randos, and I'm too old to go to some dude's apartment an watch him play video games for 20 minutes like my college days. But it's not going to be legalized in Louisiana any time soon.

Now that the alcohol has worn off, I wouldn't have a problem providing that information voluntarily to businesses, and I wouldn't have a problem with businesses voluntarily providing that information to the health department or whatever. I cannot get past the government mandating that businesses get that information from me or mandating that I provide the information.

 

[Infoman]

So do I go ahead and get the groceries for my neighbor today or go ahead and tell her to piss off? This thread has me conflicted now.

One thing is for sure, unless you throw your neighbor down a flight of stairs after getting the groceries... the News outlets will not cover it.

It's almost like people have become cynical, distrusting, and disconnected from our neighbors based on the trillion or so news reports about the hand full of idiots... well... being idiots... reports which include no context of how for every idiot doing something dumb reported on the news... there are a thousand people doing the right thing and wanting to genuinely be a good neighbor...

And if that's not what they see in their personal experience... it's probably because they have surrounded themselves with butt crevasse type human proxies.

Or... at least that's how I feel about it...

 

[efil4stnias]

A Dallas salon owner who has refused to close her shop despite multiple court orders has now been sentenced to a week in jail. A judge Tuesday called Shelley Luther's open defiance of social distancing orders "flagrant and intentional" and said she felt no "remorse or regret" for her actions.

According to court documents, Luther was sentenced to seven days in jail for violating a temporary restraining order to close her business and fined $500 each to the county's criminal and civil courts for every day the salon remained open. She openly violated the governor's stay-at-home order, an effort to slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Luther, the owner of Salon À la Mode and Hot Mess Enterprises, gained national attention for opening her salon in April after her city and county ordered the closure of all non-essential businesses in March. She has said she opposed the stay-at-home order for financial reasons and publicly ripped up one of the court orders at a protest with more than 100 others.…………..

MSN

Hot Mess seems just too apropos to be coincidental.

I think she already knows who she is. To a tee.