COVID-19 Outbreak (Update: More than 2.9M cases and 132,313 deaths in US) (10 Viewers)

[BobE]

It's not that he was quicker. It's that his post is bigger and better.

Is that something to be ashamed of?

No, of course not.

 

[Goatman Saint]

No, of course not.

She’s just trying to make you feel better.....

 

[DaveXA]

She’s just trying to make you feel better.....

That works.

 

[LuvNOLA]

I thought it was unusual that they weren't concerned about the food itself being handled or coughed on by someone who's infected. Am I being too paranoid or do you guys think that's a reasonable fear?

See post #13,720...…..superchuck posted a great article from the New England Journal of Medicine about this.......no need to be paranoid. Enjoy your food.

 

[Goatman Saint]

It carries about as much risk as talking to my neighbor who shows no signs of illness from 6 feet away. In essence close to none

 

[StudioSaint]

See post #13,720...…..superchuck posted a great article from the New England Journal of Medicine about this.......no need to be paranoid. Enjoy your food.

The article from the New England Journal does not say there is no risk. It says the risk is very low. It does not say it's impossible, it just says that it's highly unlikely.

The reality is that even though the risk of getting infected from from food and store deliveries is low, it's not zero. There's still a chance it could happen. I personally don't want to tell someone "go ahead you'll be fine" and then find out they were the long shot that did get infected from it.

Even with my parents, one is mid 76 the other one is 81, I've just been making sure they understand all the different risks and then letting them decide what risks they want to take or not.

Safer does not mean completely safe. Not much risk does not mean no risk at all. Those are important distinctions to understand right now.

 

[superchuck500]

I get the criticism on the testing and the failure to lockdown travelers from Korea and Italy at a minimum - but is the idea that governors and mayors are somehow shielded from public health information? If there was so much clarity as you are saying there was then where is the criticism for Governors and Mayors who apparently ignored the threat until we are where we are.
I mean it seems weird that some rural county in Tennessee should be put in lockdown - which is why some sort of national response in that sense seems highly unusual to me. But the Governor of NY and the Mayor of NYC? If the goal here is to assign blame to politicians it seems like there is plenty to go around in terms of why certain places are where they are at.

Structurally, the hub of any US epidemic response is the CDC - for reasons that include resources, expertise, and the backing of the federal government, which can operate across state lines, at arrival/import locations, and internationally. States (and major cities) typically follow CDC’s lead and issued guidance - and the CDC is an executive agency under the authority of the White House, as you know. And in the response, early action is critical - and viruses will move freely across international and state borders . . . all of which positions the federal government at the head of any US response.

I don’t think your point is misplaced and there’s plenty of criticism to go around. Out of them all, it seems like Inslee has been the most effective and responsible - what Washington state has done, largely on their own after scrambling from behind, looks like a success story.

But given how these things arrive and develop, we should expect the federal to lead to response - I think that’s just about fundamental. And just look at the messaging from the president on this from January (I think he was first asked about it at Davos) through today - it’s a mess. It’s no surprise that the executive agencies he leads would be similarly messy over all of this.

 

[St. Geezy]

 

[where yat brah]

You mean if a deadly enemy attacks one State like Hawaii or New York, then people from all the other States are supposed to rally as one in order to defeat the enemy so it doesn't harm citizens in all the States?
Are you kidding me?
And on top of that, you want the Federal government to have an agency knowledgeable and prepared to direct and oversee that defense?

 

[superchuck500]

Scaling by 100K cases makes a splash but I think the best look at where it’s going is the world logarithmic chart. Until it starts to flatten, the trajectory is going to be steep.

 

[RazorOye]

 

[faceman]

Isnt this the type of political discourse that is supposed to be being avoided?

yes, for the millionth time it is not the death rate, but how quickly it spreads. This virus is quickly overcoming available hospital beds.
How would you feel if a loved one was having a heart attack or involved in a bad car accident and had no available rooms to accommodate them. Politically speaking, both parties suck, that is all

 

[PurpleBlack&Gold]

What is the Hawaii government not telling us?

"New York, Hawaii and North Carolina have requested emergency mortuary assistance from FEMA to handle the coming deaths expected from coronavirus, as the pandemic bears down on the United States. "

"A spokesperson for the Federal Emergency Management Agency confirmed the requests in a statement on Wednesday. The requests are currently under review and have not yet been approved, the spokesperson said."

New York, Hawaii and North Carolina ask FEMA for help handling coronavirus dead

New York, Hawaii and North Carolina have requested emergency mortuary assistance from FEMA to handle the coming deaths expected from coronavirus.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Dago]

yes, for the millionth time it is not the death rate, but how quickly it spreads. This virus is quickly overcoming available hospital beds.
How would you feel if a loved one was having a heart attack or involved in a bad car accident and had no available rooms to accommodate them. Politically speaking, both parties suck, that is all

At this point we are where we are and the only constructive thing to do is focus on making things better. Reviewing policies and actions that got us here should wait until we get past this...anything else is basically dancing on the graves of those that have and will die just to feel superior to others over politics.

Pretty shallow and selfish at this point

 

[LuvNOLA]

The article from the New England Journal does not say there is no risk. It says the risk is very low. It does not say it's impossible, it just says that it's highly unlikely.

The reality is that even though the risk of getting infected from from food and store deliveries is low, it's not zero. There's still a chance it could happen. I personally don't want to tell someone "go ahead you'll be fine" and then find out they were the long shot that did get infected from it.

Even with my parents, one is mid 76 the other one is 81, I've just been making sure they understand all the different risks and then letting them decide what risks they want to take or not.

Safer does not mean completely safe. Not much risk does not mean no risk at all. Those are important distinctions to understand right now.

Point well taken......and I agree with everything you said.

However, this is a football message board. We are all here learning from each other, sometimes having fun, sometimes being sad.

Nobody is dictating to anyone how to live their own life.

Personally having delicious food delivered from reputable restaurants, imho, carries little risk. These workers do not want to compromise their jobs. (Some of the dad’s in this thread even stated that because their kids work in restaurants). It also helps workers to keep their jobs.

Imho there was a much greater risk just going into Costco last night. There were pallets & pallets of toilet paper & even more pallets of bottled water. As a sales lady once told me, “by the time you buy a product, it has probably been touched by 60 hands.” (From manufacturing, to transport, to delivery etc etc etc). Therefore she felt as though she was not even safe doing her job.

So live & let live.......everyone has to find their own way, to keep themselves & their family safe. ????