Cowboys sign Saints FA DE Payton Turner to a 1-year, $3 million deal

[dvdman]

Davenport and Turner

Were both Payton picks?

 

[JackDiesel]

Meanwhile Greg Rousseau was selected 2 picks later and amassed 25 career sacks and just re-upped with the Bills for $20 million a year. Dennis Allen's prototype for DE's was broken.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Meanwhile Greg Rousseau was selected 2 picks later and amassed 25 career sacks and just re-upped with the Bills for $20 million a year. Dennis Allen's prototype for DE's was broken.

Marcus Davenport: 6’6” 265
Payton Turner: 6’6” 270

Greg Rousseau: 6’6” 266

The problem was the players. Rousseau came from a better collegiate pedigree (Miami, ACC) than the schools Davenport and Turner came from, being Conference USA (UTSA) and AAC (Houston) schools. UTSA has moved across to the AAC, and Houston has moved up to the Big 12, but their programs were both small-time when those players matriculated and should never have been the places Sean Payton sought to spend first-round picks, especially being on the side of the ball he didn’t specialize in. I’d have trusted it if Payton had gone for a WR or OT or something on offense from the road less traveled, but not defense. Neither of them had the collegiate pedigree that said “overlook the conference, these are can’t-miss prospects.”

 

[JackDiesel]

Marcus Davenport: 6’6” 265
Payton Turner: 6’6” 270

Greg Rousseau: 6’6” 266

The problem was the players. Rousseau came from a better collegiate pedigree (Miami, ACC) than the schools Davenport and Turner came from, being Conference USA (UTSA) and AAC (Houston) schools. UTSA has moved across to the AAC, and Houston has moved up to the Big 12, but their programs were both small-time when those players matriculated and should never have been the places Sean Payton sought to spend first-round picks, especially being on the side of the ball he didn’t specialize in. I’d have trusted it if Payton had gone for a WR or OT or something on offense from the road less traveled, but not defense. Neither of them had the collegiate pedigree that said “overlook the conference, these are can’t-miss prospects.”

Isaiah Foskey: 6'5" 264

I know Payton had the final say in the picks but I'd be completely and utterly shocked if Dennis Allen didn't have a big say in drafting them. The dude hit on Hendrickson, had him in the building and chalked up his production to 2nd effort and coverage sacks.

 

[El Caliente]

Meanwhile Greg Rousseau was selected 2 picks later and amassed 25 career sacks and just re-upped with the Bills for $20 million a year. Dennis Allen's prototype for DE's was broken.

Dennis Allen likes Walmart king cake.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Isaiah Foskey: 6'5" 264

I know Payton had the final say in the picks but I'd be completely and utterly shocked if Dennis Allen didn't have a big say in drafting them. The dude hit on Hendrickson, had him in the building and chalked up his production to 2nd effort and coverage sacks.

Lots of teams were looking for Julius Peppers, Mario Williams types - basketball power forward length with a mean streak to wear down tackles. The silver lining is the Saints are not the only team that missed on this archetype. Far from it. Lots of 6’5”-6’7”, 245-265lb guys who were picked high just didn’t make it for whatever reason.

 

[DSnfla]

I have a sickly feeling that Turner could develop under a good DL coach if he stays healthy. Grantham was abysmal and Turner was hurt most of his time here. A perfect recipe for a player to develop in a different environment

 

[Albi]

5 career sacks…. It’s time to move on!

After his pick, not many elite players came out in his draft. So at least we didn’t miss out.

Not many studs after his pick in the entire draft… crazy to think. It was a weak year for talent

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I have a sickly feeling that Turner could develop under a good DL coach if he stays healthy. Grantham was abysmal and Turner was hurt most of his time here. A perfect recipe for a player to develop in a different environment

Yeah, I have a feeling that he may stay healthy and become Rob Ninkovich 2.0. Doesn’t matter as we can’t keep waiting, hoping and investing in the chance he stays healthy. If he does succeed in Dallas, most of those celebrating his departure will the first to bemoan him being let go.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

High risk, high reward signing. Turner when healthy was good. If he could've stayed healthy where his technique and strength would've been allowed to grow, he could've been really good.

If he can stay healthy where he can actually put in the work all the time to be great and learn technique while having Parson's mentor him, it could turn into a really good signing.

But we also have to consider the possibly he has the Davenport/Sullivan mentality that he's just here for a paycheck and could care less.

 

[Snakehead]

I have a sickly feeling that Turner could develop under a good DL coach if he stays healthy. Grantham was abysmal and Turner was hurt most of his time here. A perfect recipe for a player to develop in a different environment

Yeah, Turner when healthy played really well. This issue was staying healthy. I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Trey Hendrickson career arc with Turner. Stayed injured with the Saints, moved on and stayed healthy leading to good/great production.

 

[MikeyF]

I'm hoping we sign Ojulari to a similiar prove it contract.

Azeez Ojulari, OLB, Giants. Age: 25
Ojulari is a 25-year-old who logged seven sacks last year despite starting just five games.
Young pass rushers with 22 career sacks despite missing 22 games.

He would fill a big need for us...

 

[Saint KayBee]

Yeah, I have a feeling that he may stay healthy and become Rob Ninkovich 2.0. Doesn’t matter as we can’t keep waiting, hoping and investing in the chance he stays healthy. If he does succeed in Dallas, most of those celebrating his departure will the first to bemoan him being let go.

I’d wonder why he couldn’t stay healthy here but that’s about it.

Still a questionable pick when it happened, and less than expected results when the pads went on thereafter. I’m fine with moving on.

 

[JackDiesel]

Lots of teams were looking for Julius Peppers, Mario Williams types - basketball power forward length with a mean streak to wear down tackles. The silver lining is the Saints are not the only team that missed on this archetype. Far from it. Lots of 6’5”-6’7”, 245-265lb guys who were picked high just didn’t make it for whatever reason.

Oh yeah and I get it. You hit on a DE that's strong as run defender and pass rusher and you're set for a decade. I think they don't make it because they're too stiff, like Foskey. If you can't bend the edge and you're not freakishly strong to consistently win with a bull rush then you're never going to really do much as a pass rushing DE. Plus I don't think their bodies can handle it. They're playing beyond the edge of what the human body is built for.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Meanwhile Greg Rousseau was selected 2 picks later and amassed 25 career sacks and just re-upped with the Bills for $20 million a year. Dennis Allen's prototype for DE's was broken.

Maybe, I'm actually holding out hope that the issue was development. I say that because those same prototypes were in order when we drafted guys like David Onyemata and Davenport who were all talented. Davenport had health issues as did Turner but unfortunately Turner and Foskey both didn't get a chance to be coached up by Nielsen who was a wiz. Davenport arguably had his best years here and everyone that was coached up by Nielsen has had a long career.

Three's stil hope for Foskey.