Dan Orlovsky about the saints and Kellen Moore (18 Viewers)

[DCSaints_Fan]

I don't think we disagree; I just don't see the point in keeping a coach after consecutive losing seasons. Show me the example for reference purposes.

Jimmy Johnson 1-15, 7-9 first two years with Cowboys
Dick Vermeil 5-11, 4-12 with Rams in 97-98

 

[Hedon James]

I agree that the team is not as devoid of talent as some people see it.

Saints aren't devoid of talent, they're devoid of depth. Which has been exposed by injuries and exacerbated by cap and draft strategies. All fixable if acknowledged, and a different strategy is chosen.

 

[IceHot]

I'm not on board with giving anyone more than 2 years without a playoff appearance. If that's what we need, just hire the interim guy and fire him after we've cleaned things up.

Are you aware that 5 of 13 HoF Coaches that began their career in the playoff era could not meet that standard?

• Chuck Noll (1-13, 5-9) - 9th All-Time for most career wins in the NFL
• Bill Walsh (2-14, 6-10)
• Dick Vermeil (4-10, 5-9) - originally with the Eagles and took them to the Superbowl
• Jimmy Johnson (1-15, 7-9)
• Marv Levy (with KC 4-12, 7-9 then with BUF 2-5, 7-8)

 

[VPCajun]

Did Sean Payton light the world on fire as an NFL QB?

Well, he was the Bears QB vs the Saints in a Scab Game!

(and I think he slept at a Holiday Inn the night before...)

 

[kwkrnu]

I think ya have to give a guy at least 3 years building his own team...2 years isn't enough, especially with the state the team is currently in. Lots of dead weight on this roster and limited means to get rid of it.

 

[No2DC]

Are you aware that 5 of 13 HoF Coaches that began their career in the playoff era could not meet that standard?

• Chuck Noll (1-13, 5-9) - 9th All-Time for most career wins in the NFL
• Bill Walsh (2-14, 6-10)
• Dick Vermeil (4-10, 5-9) - originally with the Eagles and took them to the Superbowl
• Jimmy Johnson (1-15, 7-9)
• Marv Levy (with KC 4-12, 7-9 then with BUF 2-5, 7-8)

You're good with these old-time stats; the ones you cite are all at least 30 years old. I need you to update your database. Oh ya, Vermeil was fired, right but won with the Rams a decade later. Also, I said if you did not win by the second season, you're on the hot seat. I fully expect Moore to get at least three years.

 

[No2DC]

Going back a bit, but Tom Landry's first six seasons with Cowboys: 0-11-1, 4-9-1, 5-8-1, 4-10, 5-8-1, and 7-7.
Chuck Noll's first three seasons with Steelers: 1-13, 5-9, and 6-8.
Bill Walsh's first two seasons with 49ers: 2-14 and 6-10.

You get the idea.

Going back like the old days

 

[No2DC]

When has a franchise allowed a new coach to lose for 4 years? I am not questioning that we are facing a multi-year rebuild, but coaches don't get a pass to lose for four years.

This is what I said in this thread. Yes, I know I initially said 2 years. For the record, I don't see any coach getting three losing seasons without getting fired.
Does anyone think that will happen in today's NFL?