Daylight Saving Time possibly permanent 11/2023 (2 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Instead of changing the clock, just adjust your individual schedule. It's really not that hard. I vote we get rid of the time changes.

 

[Bill]

Most fatal accidents occur the Monday after DST begins. You are correct. Most people have trouble adjusting
their body clock.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11152980/#:~:text=The number of accidents for,1.92, P=0.034).

Right. The changing back & forth isn’t doing anyone any good. But if we are going to stick with one standard for keeping time in this country, it would be best to have some daylight in the evenings after work.

The natural seasonal change of having reduced sunlight between the fall & spring equinoxes will always make for less daylight hours anyway. No one can actually change that. All we are doing by getting everyone to reset their clocks is forcing them to start their regular activities each day 1hour earlier.

If we all just stayed doing what we are doing today (starting all our activities earlier than what we’ll be doing next week) then we wouldn’t need to readjust our body clock and we’d get the most out of each day even when the days of shorter sun exposure are upon us.

I can’t begin to tell you how much I can get done after work when we are on DST and there is additional sunlight to work with. Having that sunlight when I was on a bus going to school or now while I’m driving to work is a complete waste of daylight to me. I’m sure that other folks would agree.

Many businesses are happy when I’m spending my money after work because I have some daylight left to get things done.

 

[Crzycjunx76]

Man, whatever did we do for millions of years before DST?

Gradually adjusted our hours of activity as the sunset/rise shifted throughout the year... I wonder how early peoples activities varied depending on closeness to the equator.

I dont know if out society would function that way... business operating hours changing week to week. Different operating hours in different locations depending on latitude.

For instance in NOLA today sunrise was 7:16 AM and sunset will be 6:12 PM. So about 11 hours of full daylight.
In Seattle today sunrise is 7:55 AM amd sunset 5:50 PM. So 10 hours of full daylight.

By December 21st NOLA will be down to 10 hours of sunlight, but Seattle will be all the way down to 8.5 hours of sunlight.

The twilight times of set/rise are shorter too this time of year up here.

Working from home I did not actually see sunlight yesterday because I forgot to open the curtains and when I went to see the kids it was dark.

I would like to see the clock "locked". Not sure in which "alignment"... I mean in June sunrise was 5AM and sunset after 9PM... so it is going to be screwy.

Businesses though could adjust start times to match sunrise... not lockstep, but maybe a quarterly adjustment in places with high variability. I suspect there would be a productivity impact.

Really though it all would hinge on the school systems now that I think of it. That could drive the broader change.

@guidomerkinsrules how do you think teachers/bus drivers/staff would feel about a quartetly(or some cadience) shift in start of day? Clock stays the same all year, but school hours shift?

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

@guidomerkinsrules how do you think teachers/bus drivers/staff would feel about a quartetly(or some cadience) shift in start of day? Clock stays the same all year, but school hours shift?

a nice idea in theory but would be highly difficult in practice - internally bc changes like that are hard/confusing across a number of groups / externally bc so much of school is tied up in parents work schedules among many other complications

the school discussion is usually much more about the realization that 8 is too early for teens
faculty should probably get to school at 7:30 and kids at 9 (of course that still has the cascading issue of external schedules)

 

[Maxp]

Again, the rest of the world is on standard time, we should be too.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Again, the rest of the world is on standard time, we should be too.

We live by Freedom Hours, Hoss

 

[Saint_Ward]

Praise be. I hate that it gets dark at 4pm during the winter. Trash.

Now it will get dark at 5pm....

 

[Saint_Ward]

I don't have a strong opinion on Standard time vs Daylight Savings time, but let's look at what actually happens.

Use https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/minneapolis as a reference, then swap to other cities.

So, I'm going to use Minneapolis, MN for the North and South Florida for the South. For those that don't know this, the further south, aka closer to the equator you are, the less of an effect the seasons have on daylight. The further north you are, i.e. further from the equator, the larger effect the seasons have on daylight hours.

Let's start with South Florida, I'll do Miami. This currently shows the time changes, but we can use simple math to make the point. I'll focus on Daylight hours, and Civil Twilight.

As you can see, daylight starts earlier and ends later in the summer, peaking in mid June, and starts later and ends earlier until mid winter.


If Miami was always in Daylight Savings Time, today, March 16th, Sunrise will be at about 7:30am and sunset wsa around 7:30pm. with, about 20 minutes of twilight before and after. If we stayed in standard time, Sunrise would have been at 6:30am, and sunset would have been at 6:30pm.

EDT = Eastern Daylight Time, EST = Eastern Standard Time.

In mid June (the 18th), EDT sunrise is 6:29am, and sunset is 8:14pm. If we were in EST Sunrise would be at 5:29am and Sunset at 7:14pm. 13 hours and 45 minutes of daylight.

In Mid Jan, Jan 18th, EDT sunrise would be 8:08am and sunset would be 6:53pm. 10 hours and 45 min. in EST, sunrise is currently 7:08am and sunset is 5:53pm. For the same 10 hours and 45 min.

Summer to winter has a 3 hour daylight difference.

No, let's use the more extreme example of Minneapolis.



June 18 - EDT Sunrise is at 5:26am, and Sunset is at 9:02pm. If we stuck with EST, Sunrise would be at 4:26am and Sunset would be at 8:02pm. A total of 15 hours and 37 minutes of daylight. Almost an hour more than Miami.

Jan 18th - future EDT Sunrise would be at 8:45am, and Sunset would be at 6:01pm. Current EST Sunrise is 7:45am and Sunset is 5:01pm. 9 hours and 16 minutes of daylight either way.

Summer to winter has a 6 hour and 21 minutes daylight difference. 3 hours and 21 minutes more than Miami.

Personally, I think it's the massive gain in daylight hours as a function of the seasons, that matter a whole lot more than a 1 hour shift. But it seems like the time change has sort of made sense, even down south. But it makes more sense up north. I think an 8:08 to 8:45am sunrise is a bit late in the day in January. For perspective, my kid is out of the house at 7:15am to stand outside waiting for the bus.

If you want to get a feel for New Orleans, it's closer to Miami.. about 15 minutes more daylight in the summer, and about a half hour less in the winter than Miami.

Oh yeah, and all this I said last time.

Perpetual daylight time just has far too late of a sunrise for most folks in the winter. Standard time would be a bit more tolerable.

 

[Crzycjunx76]

Again, the rest of the world is on standard time, we should be too.

Our direction running counter logic and reason appears to be a feature, not a bug... we side with inertia over change, even if inertia is taking us the completely wrong way.

Exibit A: Metric vs Imperial

 

[Tapxe]

Why not split the difference and move it 30 mins then stop changing it?

 

[Crzycjunx76]

Why not split the difference and move it 30 mins then stop changing it?

International time conversions would be fun... every time zone over is an hour, unless it is in the US then there is a 30 minute adjustment.

 

[Tapxe]

International time conversions would be fun... every time zone over is an hour, unless it is in the US then there is a 30 minute adjustment.

I distinctly recall this being an issue in Australia as they have multiple offsets.

How Many Time Zones Are There in Australia?

Australia has multiple time zones. Some of them are half-hour and quarter-hour time zones. Not all states and territories use Daylight Saving Time (DST).

www.timeanddate.com

 

[Saint_Ward]

Our direction running counter logic and reason appears to be a feature, not a bug... we side with inertia over change, even if inertia is taking us the completely wrong way.

Exibit A: Metric vs Imperial

Arizona runs mountain standard time all year.

 

[town123]

Not sure if this is allowed, but, this is my all-time favourite comedy video by Ylvis. Enjoy if allowed and for ffs turn up the volume. (explicit lyrics)

 

[Bill]

Arizona runs mountain standard time all year.

Exactly... and who wants to end up like Arizona?!?!?