Daylight Saving Time possibly permanent 11/2023 (1 Viewer)

[faceman]

I find that. Hard to believe. My guess he is exaggerating a little.

Sunrise and sunset times in Minneapolis, December 2024

Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Minneapolis – Minnesota – USA for December 2024. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.

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looks like he did by a few . It's still only 8-1/2 hours of sunlight though. If they went to year round DST the sun would
be setting at 530 pm and rising at 9am. There's nothing we can do to change nature. Please just pick a time and stick
with it.

 

[0rion]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

 

[Semper]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

I I agree with your buddy. So before the fall time changes the sun is rising at let’s guesstimate 6:45 and I can start duck or goose hunting. The next day however when we fall back I have to start an hour earlier. Meaning I have to get up earlier. I hate that. And deer season is even worse because now I am getting up at 4 to be in the stand by 4:45. Now I recognize this is completely selfish on my part. But I would also like to get home in the daylight and not the dark. I don’t get to enjoy that extra hour of sun because I am getting ready for work Mon through Fri.

 

[faceman]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

I know this is a total nerd response. During the days near the Summer and Winter solstice we are only gaining or
losing a few seconds a day. It's after the Spring and Autumn equinox we really start losing and gaining daylight
hours. Right now on the coast we are gaining nearly 2 minutes a day.

Sunrise and sunset times in Biloxi

Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Biloxi – Mississippi – USA for November 2024. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.

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[0rion]

I know this is a total nerd response. During the days near the Summer and Winter solstice we are only gaining or
losing a few seconds a day. It's after the Spring and Autumn equinox we really start losing and gaining daylight
hours. Right now on the coast we are gaining nearly 2 minutes a day.

Sunrise and sunset times in Biloxi

Calculations of sunrise and sunset in Biloxi – Mississippi – USA for November 2024. Generic astronomy calculator to calculate times for sunrise, sunset, moonrise, moonset for many cities, with daylight saving time and time zones taken in account.

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I go by these....the sunrise/sunset tables in the Ohio regulation book.

 

[0rion]

I I agree with your buddy. So before the fall time changes the sun is rising at let’s guesstimate 6:45 and I can start duck or goose hunting. The next day however when we fall back I have to start an hour earlier. Meaning I have to get up earlier. I hate that. And deer season is even worse because now I am getting up at 4 to be in the stand by 4:45. Now I recognize this is completely selfish on my part. But I would also like to get home in the daylight and not the dark. I don’t get to enjoy that extra hour of sun because I am getting ready for work Mon through Fri.

You're not getting up an hour earlier if you're getting up at sunrise. Your clock is different but the sun isn't.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

 

[nolaspe]

 

[Taurus]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

I'd need to see a ton of research, because my subjective experience as a kid was hating the 'fall back' where it was dark when I got up and barely a couple hours of daylight after school.
Darkness the whole time you're awake blows.

 

[Bill]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

Like most other studies, they think they are right... until someone else comes up with another study to proclaim that it's not what the first study suggested.
Keep the extra evening daylight. We will all adjust and we will get more things done in the evenings. The problem is the jumping back & forth with our body clock that is creating the issues, NOT what time we wake up and go back to bed. Let's just set the time where we can get the most accomplished and keep it that way.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Within days, 48 states and the District of Columbia will reset their clocks and fall back into standard time. From a health standpoint, most sleep and circadian experts say we should stay there.

Experts say early-morning sunlight is key to maintaining our circadian rhythms, sleep-wake cycles and overall health.

Phyllis Zee, a neurologist and chief of sleep medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, said without that sunlight, we can slip into circadian misalignment — “when your internal body clocks fall out of sync with that of the sun clock and your social clocks.”

The concern with adopting a permanent change to daylight saving time, which the Senate has voted to do, is that it may chronically throw our bodies out of sync with the sun and lead to a variety of health problems, sleep experts say.

“We would be misaligned all year long,” said Beth Malow, professor of neurology and pediatrics and the director of Vanderbilt University’s sleep division…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/interactive/2022/permanent-standard-time-body-health-benefits/

 

[Bill]

Within days, 48 states and the District of Columbia will reset their clocks and fall back into standard time. From a health standpoint, most sleep and circadian experts say we should stay there.

Experts say early-morning sunlight is key to maintaining our circadian rhythms, sleep-wake cycles and overall health.

Phyllis Zee, a neurologist and chief of sleep medicine at Northwestern University Feinberg School of Medicine, said without that sunlight, we can slip into circadian misalignment — “when your internal body clocks fall out of sync with that of the sun clock and your social clocks.”

The concern with adopting a permanent change to daylight saving time, which the Senate has voted to do, is that it may chronically throw our bodies out of sync with the sun and lead to a variety of health problems, sleep experts say.

“We would be misaligned all year long,” said Beth Malow, professor of neurology and pediatrics and the director of Vanderbilt University’s sleep division…….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/wellness/interactive/2022/permanent-standard-time-body-health-benefits/

My job has me up before the sun and I never see a sunrise whether it’s daylight or standard time. The only difference is that the country is either home watching TV or sleeping by 7pm during standard time. The last thing the economy needs is to have the streets rolled up by 5:30pm during shorter winter months due to it being dark on everyone’s drive home from work.

Earlier morning light isn’t doing me any good at all. I’ll take permanently extended daylight, please.

 

[buzd]

Like most other studies, they think they are right... until someone else comes up with another study to proclaim that it's not what the first study suggested.
Keep the extra evening daylight. We will all adjust and we will get more things done in the evenings. The problem is the jumping back & forth with our body clock that is creating the issues, NOT what time we wake up and go back to bed. Let's just set the time where we can get the most accomplished and keep it that way.

I say we split the difference and move it 30 minutes.

 

[Devildog]

Man, whatever did we do for millions of years before DST?

 

[faceman]

Like most other studies, they think they are right... until someone else comes up with another study to proclaim that it's not what the first study suggested.
Keep the extra evening daylight. We will all adjust and we will get more things done in the evenings. The problem is the jumping back & forth with our body clock that is creating the issues, NOT what time we wake up and go back to bed. Let's just set the time where we can get the most accomplished and keep it that way.

Most fatal accidents occur the Monday after DST begins. You are correct. Most people have trouble adjusting
their body clock.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11152980/#:~:text=The number of accidents for,1.92, P=0.034).