Daylight Saving Time possibly permanent 11/2023 (1 Viewer)

[faceman]

The 2 year trial of permanent DST ended in 1974 because the winter morning sunrises were so late. Detroit had a bunch of problems, mostly traffic accidents and kids being in the dark to start school.

I'm thinking this will be another case of 'sounds great' turning into 'nope, go back'.

Might work in fair weather states, but we get more freezing rain here that melts by morning rush, but won't with DST because the sun won't have that extra hour to heat up.

What about just going back to standard time permanently?

My brother in law was born and raised in Tower Mn. He told me the sun rises at 9am and sets at 330 pm during the
shortest days of winter. Who wants a 10am sunrise? I don't

 

[faceman]

Right. It’s simply a matter of when we use the daylight.

It'll work at our latitude. Not so much for our far northern brothers

 

[Semper]

My brother in law was born and raised in Tower Mn. He told me the sun rises at 9am and sets at 330 pm during the
shortest days of winter. Who wants a 10am sunrise? I don't

I find that. Hard to believe. My guess he is exaggerating a little.

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[saintmdterps]

Like you care what time it is.

Daydrinkers have no regard for DST

 

[faceman]

I find that. Hard to believe. My guess he is exaggerating a little.

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looks like he did by a few . It's still only 8-1/2 hours of sunlight though. If they went to year round DST the sun would
be setting at 530 pm and rising at 9am. There's nothing we can do to change nature. Please just pick a time and stick
with it.

 

[0rion]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

 

[Semper]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

I I agree with your buddy. So before the fall time changes the sun is rising at let’s guesstimate 6:45 and I can start duck or goose hunting. The next day however when we fall back I have to start an hour earlier. Meaning I have to get up earlier. I hate that. And deer season is even worse because now I am getting up at 4 to be in the stand by 4:45. Now I recognize this is completely selfish on my part. But I would also like to get home in the daylight and not the dark. I don’t get to enjoy that extra hour of sun because I am getting ready for work Mon through Fri.

 

[faceman]

When we hunt my buddy for years has complained about losing that hour of sleep and for years I've had to explain to him he's hunting based on the sun and not the clock and he'll lose the standard 1 minute a day that we lose daily that time of year.

I know this is a total nerd response. During the days near the Summer and Winter solstice we are only gaining or
losing a few seconds a day. It's after the Spring and Autumn equinox we really start losing and gaining daylight
hours. Right now on the coast we are gaining nearly 2 minutes a day.

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[0rion]

I know this is a total nerd response. During the days near the Summer and Winter solstice we are only gaining or
losing a few seconds a day. It's after the Spring and Autumn equinox we really start losing and gaining daylight
hours. Right now on the coast we are gaining nearly 2 minutes a day.

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I go by these....the sunrise/sunset tables in the Ohio regulation book.

 

[0rion]

I I agree with your buddy. So before the fall time changes the sun is rising at let’s guesstimate 6:45 and I can start duck or goose hunting. The next day however when we fall back I have to start an hour earlier. Meaning I have to get up earlier. I hate that. And deer season is even worse because now I am getting up at 4 to be in the stand by 4:45. Now I recognize this is completely selfish on my part. But I would also like to get home in the daylight and not the dark. I don’t get to enjoy that extra hour of sun because I am getting ready for work Mon through Fri.

You're not getting up an hour earlier if you're getting up at sunrise. Your clock is different but the sun isn't.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

 

[nolaspe]

 

[Taurus]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

I'd need to see a ton of research, because my subjective experience as a kid was hating the 'fall back' where it was dark when I got up and barely a couple hours of daylight after school.
Darkness the whole time you're awake blows.

 

[Bill]

Earlier this year, the Senate passed a bill to make daylight saving time permanent. The idea of ending clock changes and sticking to one time was met with celebration — until scientists pointed out that such a change could cause a nationwide case of seasonal depression, learning loss and physical health problems.


Now the Sunshine Protection Act sits with the House. But as we prepare to change our clocks this November — and with news of Mexico mostly opting out of daylight saving time, effective this past weekend (the exceptions: towns and cities on the U.S. border) — the idea is sure to be debated again.

Popular opinion supports getting rid of clock changes, and for good reason — they’re disorienting and disruptive. But eternal daylight saving time is not the answer. Especially if we want to protect young people.

Humans evolved outside, in nature, and our brain clocks are exquisitely attuned to the sun. Standard time is an approximation of the solar day and is more or less in line with the rising and setting sun. Decades of research shows we’re at our best when we live harmoniously this way.


Daylight saving time, on the other hand, is essentially mandated jet lag. Permanent daylight time would leave us perpetually out of sync with our powerful internal clocks and would deny us the sun’s rays when our brains and bodies need them most: in the mornings……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/11/01/daylight-saving-end-standard-time-permanent/

Like most other studies, they think they are right... until someone else comes up with another study to proclaim that it's not what the first study suggested.
Keep the extra evening daylight. We will all adjust and we will get more things done in the evenings. The problem is the jumping back & forth with our body clock that is creating the issues, NOT what time we wake up and go back to bed. Let's just set the time where we can get the most accomplished and keep it that way.