Derek Carr practiced today. (2 Viewers)

[RebSaint]

The more I think about the question, re: if DA could succeed with a better QB, or could Carr be better with better coaching?

I think the answer is no and no again. I don't think Carr is coachable enough to get better, just based on his behavior in the midst of all the offensive struggles. Despite DA's Team over Self mantra, Carr has shown not have the leadership chops or demeanor to be a leader of men. Same goes with DA. DA's continually mishandling the QB room and lack of leadership skills to hold players accountable, both were made for each other--a coach who cannot develop or coach a QB, and a QB who has hit the glass ceiling because he hasn't taken accountability for his erratic play on the field.

A sad reflection of this failure is DA again refusing to sit a struggling, hurt QB. I give Carr all the credit in the world for being tough and his ability to "heal" up enough to start, but this crap reminds me of Winston wanting to play with a bunch of injuries because he didn't want to give up his spot to a QB who might play better.

What was the result? Confusion over whether or how hurt Winston was or whether or not he was benched because he was struggling.

It's frustrating to see almost the exact same scenario play out, only because DA refuses to sit Carr lest one of the other QBs plays better (not likely) to highlight what a colossal failure it was to sign Carr in the first place.
It's clear that DA wants to go down with the ship with Pete and Carr instead of trying to make substantive changes to shake up the team and get the most out of the talent they have.

 

[Centmssaint1]

If i was paid 7 million a year to do a job i’d be a man, and move on to the next play.

They way Carr was yelling at players on the field, if you were one of them, you’d want to whip his butt or start checking out on him. You are only human. Her real man. No amount of money can check your feelings over time. Why do you think players react the way they do in retaliation? Himan nature.

 

[Deuuuuce]

They way Carr was yelling at players on the field, if you were one of them, you’d want to whip his butt or start checking out on him. You are only human. Her real man. No amount of money can check your feelings over time. Why do you think players react the way they do in retaliation? Himan nature.

If they check out that’s on them. Not someone else. I understand being frustrated, but it would take something really bad to happen between them before checking out would be acceptable.

 

[Pkessling]

DA and Carr have sucked the care out of me. If we win on Sunday I will be happy and if we lose, oh well. DA has proven that he is incapable of producing a consistent, winning effort. Carr probably shouldn’t play this week and may not give the Saints their best chance of winning. DA is not wiling to give any of the other QBs a chance for whatever reason.

 

[Deuuuuce]

The more I think about the question, re: if DA could succeed with a better QB, or could Carr be better with better coaching?

I think the answer is no and no again. I don't think Carr is coachable enough to get better, just based on his behavior in the midst of all the offensive struggles. Despite DA's Team over Self mantra, Carr has shown not have the leadership chops or demeanor to be a leader of men. Same goes with DA. DA's continually mishandling the QB room and lack of leadership skills to hold players accountable, both were made for each other--a coach who cannot develop or coach a QB, and a QB who has hit the glass ceiling because he hasn't taken accountability for his erratic play on the field.

A sad reflection of this failure is DA again refusing to sit a struggling, hurt QB. I give Carr all the credit in the world for being tough and his ability to "heal" up enough to start, but this crap reminds me of Winston wanting to play with a bunch of injuries because he didn't want to give up his spot to a QB who might play better.

What was the result? Confusion over whether or how hurt Winston was or whether or not he was benched because he was struggling.

It's frustrating to see almost the exact same scenario play out, only because DA refuses to sit Carr lest one of the other QBs plays better (not likely) to highlight what a colossal failure it was to sign Carr in the first place.
It's clear that DA wants to go down with the ship with Pete and Carr instead of trying to make substantive changes to shake up the team and get the most out of the talent they have.

At this point, it’s beyond repair for me. DA for sure has to go, and i don’t think a new coach will make Carr that much better. He might be our QB next year, but i’ll be disappointed if we don’t draft his replacement in 2024.

 

[jahsoul357]

The more I think about the question, re: if DA could succeed with a better QB, or could Carr be better with better coaching?

I think the answer is no and no again. I don't think Carr is coachable enough to get better, just based on his behavior in the midst of all the offensive struggles. Despite DA's Team over Self mantra, Carr has shown not have the leadership chops or demeanor to be a leader of men. Same goes with DA. DA's continually mishandling the QB room and lack of leadership skills to hold players accountable, both were made for each other--a coach who cannot develop or coach a QB, and a QB who has hit the glass ceiling because he hasn't taken accountability for his erratic play on the field.

A sad reflection of this failure is DA again refusing to sit a struggling, hurt QB. I give Carr all the credit in the world for being tough and his ability to "heal" up enough to start, but this crap reminds me of Winston wanting to play with a bunch of injuries because he didn't want to give up his spot to a QB who might play better.

What was the result? Confusion over whether or how hurt Winston was or whether or not he was benched because he was struggling.

It's frustrating to see almost the exact same scenario play out, only because DA refuses to sit Carr lest one of the other QBs plays better (not likely) to highlight what a colossal failure it was to sign Carr in the first place.
It's clear that DA wants to go down with the ship with Pete and Carr instead of trying to make substantive changes to shake up the team and get the most out of the talent they have.

I would have to disagree with this. I believe that any QB in this day and age that has a system built around them and put in the work could be a successful QB. It is less about skill and more about skill players. That's why you don't see tight window throws, systems based on timing is seen as stale, and big plays are going up while air yards are declining each season. Truth be told, after week 3, we should have rethought the system and what suits Carr the best. Minus the utter lack of play action (which both excel at), a system with heavy intermediate timing routes is more suited for our backup. When Carr has looked his best, it is when we are able to scheme players wide open in space or the dump off (like that vast majority of QBs today. Again, skill vs skill players). I think if we have someone that can build a system like that for Carr, he would succeed but he is kinda set up for failure playing in a system not suited to his strengths (which in actually, that's usually why QBs are called bust, but that's another topic). Sneaky Pete isn't it....lol

 

[Rexman100]

I would have to disagree with this. I believe that any QB in this day and age that has a system built around them and put in the work could be a successful QB. It is less about skill and more about skill players. That's why you don't see tight window throws, systems based on timing is seen as stale, and big plays are going up while air yards are declining each season. Truth be told, after week 3, we should have rethought the system and what suits Carr the best. Minus the utter lack of play action (which both excel at), a system with heavy intermediate timing routes is more suited for our backup. When Carr has looked his best, it is when we are able to scheme players wide open in space or the dump off (like that vast majority of QBs today. Again, skill vs skill players). I think if we have someone that can build a system like that for Carr, he would succeed but he is kinda set up for failure playing in a system not suited to his strengths (which in actually, that's usually why QBs are called bust, but that's another topic). Sneaky Pete isn't it....lol

Thats a good take on today’s ball. The only thing I take exception is play action, while I agree we needed to do more of it, but early-on our Oline couldn’t protect long enough to allow it.

 

[jahsoul357]

Thats a good take on today’s ball. The only thing I take exception is play action, while I agree we needed to do more of it, but early-on our Oline couldn’t protect long enough to allow it.

I agree but that's why boots should have been incorporated in those plays to compensate. My thing with Carr is a good fake would probably assist in that. (his play action motions usually seem pretty lazy)

 

[Rexman100]

I agree but that's why boots should have been incorporated in those plays to compensate. My thing with Carr is a good fake would probably assist in that. (his play action motions usually seem pretty lazy)

I agree 100%, he doesn’t try and sell it at all. Much less, like Farve, that would even complete the throwing motion which could freeze a deep safety.

 

[Que Que 6]

I can question his wisdom.

And ours, LOL

 

[Judge_Smails]

What bothers me most in the inconsistency of the criticism. DA and Pete get railed for showing no emotion, Carr gets railed for showing too much. Jameis gets praise for yelling at TQS on the sideline, Carr gets flack for yelling at Olave during a game. It seems to depend on WHO is doing what and whether they are a current favorite or not. Fans are going to do fan things, but I mostly disregard the people who make these comments and judgements as not serious people.

This sounds like an Elvis song of sorrow that someone else wrote.

 

[Centmssaint1]

If they check out that’s on them. Not someone else. I understand being frustrated, but it would take something really bad to happen between them before checking out would be acceptable.

And how do we know that’s not what’s been happening in the locker room? You can see the lack of chemistry on the sidelines.

 

[J.T.]

That situation was a little bit more nuanced than just "yelling at Olave during a game."
-Everybody thought Olave quit on the route
-DA's verbiage didn't help
-Olave falls on the sword
-CGM comes out and gives us the play, which takes us back to bullet point 1.
-Everybody thought Olave quit on the route when in reality he was a decoy and his purpose was done as Taysom was open, but even if that wasn't the case, instead of going through progressions, Carr just chunked it and yelled at CO.

And that's where the issue with that situation came from.

I have many, maby issues with Carr, but we are tied to him for the next two years. Given that, I'm hoping he can be fixed. He had a pretty good game on Sunday. The Juwan Johson drop and INT was a very rough way to start a game. I'm not crazy about the way Carr works through his progressions, but earlier in the year the Offensive Line didn't give him any time to work through them.

On this particular play, we all saw Hill break open. Presumably, Carr never saw him. He saw Option One covered, then didn't look at (maybe couldn't see) or throw to Hill. Now, the info we have is Olave was never an option on that play, he was a clear out guy and was not a receiving option, THE WAY THE PLAY WAS DESIGNED. Now, my thinking is, Carr saw option 1 covered, couldn't see, didn't see or didn't look for Hill and then, in his mind was thinking....broken play, ad lib....let me look for Olave, even though he's not a real option the way the play was designed. Now...he sees Olave, sees he pulled up, yeah...Olave did his job the way the play was drawn up, but Carr sees Olave "quit" on the play....
a play that Carr is thinking is now a busted play. Carr figures, the play is now shot anyway and tosses it past Olave as a way to say....keep playing, even on a busted play because that could be a big play. The way the Offensive Line was playing early in the year, most plays were basically busted plays.

Just my opinion, throwing stuff on the wall.

 

[Rouxble]

I guess this goes here:

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

I get the general point, but Carr, after 10 years and multiple coaches, has never been pretty darn good. I think he can be respectable in the Kirk Cousins sense but not elite.

If we had a different coaching staff and improved O-line, I agree.