Derek Carr practiced today. (3 Viewers)

[SoggyBottomBoy]

That’s so much drama from one play. I doubt any of the players are still thinking about this the way you are. If they are they’re being petty.

It simply looked like the way the situation played out. No drama to it, at all. What looked like one thing turned out to be totally different.

 

[Deuuuuce]

Man get real. That’s like saying how your leader treats you at work doesn’t affect your performance. It does. Carr wasn’t yelling at him because Olave focused on himself, caught passes, and bailed Carr out on some throws.

If i was paid 7 million a year to do a job i’d be a man, and move on to the next play.

 

[Rouxble]

That situation was a little bit more nuanced than just "yelling at Olave during a game."
-Everybody thought Olave quit on the route
-DA's verbiage didn't help
-Olave falls on the sword
-CGM comes out and gives us the play, which takes us back to bullet point 1.
-Everybody thought Olave quit on the route when in reality he was a decoy and his purpose was done as Taysom was open, but even if that wasn't the case, instead of going through progressions, Carr just chunked it and yelled at CO.

And that's where the issue with that situation came from.

Carr has to follow the progression now that that everyone else knows it:


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[RaginSaint93]

 

[MikeyF]

You can't question his toughness.

 

[Jesse Custer]

You can't question his toughness.

I can question his wisdom.

 

[nakadish]

im more convinced than ever, we need a Payton like coach again. Someone that forces the players to keep their business silent. And punishes or cuts those who deviate. The outside noise is unhealthy,

That's easy to say, but how many coaches/QBs have the other teams in the NFCS gone through since Payton/Brees came to the Saints? What were the Saints like in the decades before Payton? Like it or not, except for a few elite teams, this is the norm in the NFL. And if you go by history, the chances of a new coach having the same results as DA is a lot more likely, by a lot, than finding someone like Payton. Superbowl level coaches don't grow on trees.

Not that the Saints shouldn't bother looking at other options, but just changing coaches doesn't necessarily get us back to the good old days.

 

[No2DC]

That's easy to say, but how many coaches/QBs have the other teams in the NFCS gone through since Payton/Brees came to the Saints? What were the Saints like in the decades before Payton? Like it or not, except for a few elite teams, this is the norm in the NFL. And if you go by history, the chances of a new coach having the same results as DA is a lot more likely, by a lot, than finding someone like Payton. Superbowl level coaches don't grow on trees.

Not that the Saints shouldn't bother looking at other options, but just changing coaches doesn't necessarily get us back to the good old days.

If you're scared say your scared. If we had a true first-time coach, I would be fine with giving him a third year (you know like Allen's third year in Oakland when they fired his incompetent butt after 4 games!)

 

[solarbear88]

Carr is smart. Even if he can't go on Sunday, he has got all the first team snaps so Winston will not look his best.

 

[Saint KayBee]

That's easy to say, but how many coaches/QBs have the other teams in the NFCS gone through since Payton/Brees came to the Saints? What were the Saints like in the decades before Payton? Like it or not, except for a few elite teams, this is the norm in the NFL. And if you go by history, the chances of a new coach having the same results as DA is a lot more likely, by a lot, than finding someone like Payton. Superbowl level coaches don't grow on trees.

Not that the Saints shouldn't bother looking at other options, but just changing coaches doesn't necessarily get us back to the good old days.

Since 2006:

Atlanta — 7 head coaches (2 midseason interim HCs)
Carolina — 7 head coaches (3 midseason interim HCs; 5 HC changes since Tepper became owner)
Tampa — 7 head coaches (0 midseason interim HCs; 1 late offseason resignation)

New Orleans — 6 years of Payton, the bunk 2012 suspension, 9 more years of Payton, then Payton’s semi-late offseason resignation.

Double-digit loss seasons since 2006:

Atlanta — 6
Carolina — 8 (incl. an active 5-season streak)
Tampa — 8

New Orleans — 1, and they lost in week 18 to get there. It took a 17-game season for it to happen.

 

[Ti Rider]

My only question is - why? I’m no fan of Carr but don’t want to see him get permanently damaged playing in a stupid meaningless game. Seriously they all have to know the direction this team is headed and it ain’t the playoffs. I hear the talk about Carr wanting to keep Jameis off the field……all he has to do is go back and watch Jameis in PC Jr.‘s Offense. He would see that in a matter of couple weeks Saints fans will be begging for Carr to return.

 

[Deuuuuce]

My only question is - why? I’m no fan of Carr but don’t want to see him get permanently damaged playing in a stupid meaningless game. Seriously they all have to know the direction this team is headed and it ain’t the playoffs. I hear the talk about Carr wanting to keep Jameis off the field……all he has to do is go back and watch Jameis in PC Jr.‘s Offense. He would see that in a matter of couple weeks Saints fans will be begging for Carr to return.

i can’t answer for him but it’s probably because he’s a really competitive guy who feels like he has something to prove. No surprise. Its a competitive business. You don’t get where he is without being kind of crazy.

 

[Rexman100]

That's easy to say, but how many coaches/QBs have the other teams in the NFCS gone through since Payton/Brees came to the Saints? What were the Saints like in the decades before Payton? Like it or not, except for a few elite teams, this is the norm in the NFL. And if you go by history, the chances of a new coach having the same results as DA is a lot more likely, by a lot, than finding someone like Payton. Superbowl level coaches don't grow on trees.

Not that the Saints shouldn't bother looking at other options, but just changing coaches doesn't necessarily get us back to the good old days.

You’re preaching to the choir. ive been saying that it’s more likely that we’ll go thru 3 more coaches each at a 3 year stint, than to strike diamonds like most people think is a given. (A 2 year rebuild back to superbowl contention). We‘re closer now to that than we’re most likely to be in 6 years. The only way to shorten this Is to find an ex coach. Like for example, Parcells. You knew if you had him, you will be in the playoffs and soon. What other coaches would people feel a similar confidence?

 

[Elvis]

That's easy to say, but how many coaches/QBs have the other teams in the NFCS gone through since Payton/Brees came to the Saints? What were the Saints like in the decades before Payton? Like it or not, except for a few elite teams, this is the norm in the NFL. And if you go by history, the chances of a new coach having the same results as DA is a lot more likely, by a lot, than finding someone like Payton. Superbowl level coaches don't grow on trees.

Not that the Saints shouldn't bother looking at other options, but just changing coaches doesn't necessarily get us back to the good old days.

A couple of things are obvious in the NFL. Good head coaches and Top 10 QBs make a massive difference. If you're a smart NFL executive, finding those are your primary responsibility and you don't stop until you find one of each. You make the change as soon as you know you don't have one. If you have locker room dysfunction or players are unhappy and don't know what's going on, you don't have a good head coach. If you have fans arguing over who should be the QB or there is a QB competition, you don't have a QB. We know these things intuitively.

I feel like Loomis has diligently tried to find a QB in free agency to no success. He's brought in quite a few veteran QBs that flamed out on other teams. He has not sought out a QB in the draft, which is where most good QBs come from. He's tried to replicate the Drew Brees luck and keeps failing.

With coaches, Loomis was lazy and in a way took the opposite approach to finding a new coach to how he found Payton. Payton was smart, but an unproven gamble. DA was a known commodity and not the good kind. Loomis barely even looked at young coaches that were unproven gambles and decided on reliably bad.

Yes, this team could go through several coaches and several flamed out drafted QBs, but we're not turning this team into a perennial playoff teams until we get on with it. DA/Pete and Carr/Winston aren't going to get us there. We all know it and for some reason Loomis is denying he knows it.

 

[Rexman100]

A couple of things are obvious in the NFL. Good head coaches and Top 10 QBs make a massive difference. If you're a smart NFL executive, finding those are your primary responsibility and you don't stop until you find one of each. You make the change as soon as you know you don't have one. If you have locker room dysfunction or players are unhappy and don't know what's going on, you don't have a good head coach. If you have fans arguing over who should be the QB or there is a QB competition, you don't have a QB. We know these things intuitively.

I feel like Loomis has diligently tried to find a QB in free agency to no success. He's brought in quite a few veteran QBs that flamed out on other teams. He has not sought out a QB in the draft, which is where most good QBs come from. He's tried to replicate the Drew Brees luck and keeps failing.

With coaches, Loomis was lazy and in a way took the opposite approach to finding a new coach to how he found Payton. Payton was smart, but an unproven gamble. DA was a known commodity and not the good kind. Loomis barely even looked at young coaches that were unproven gambles and decided on reliably bad.

Yes, this team could go through several coaches and several flamed out drafted QBs, but we're not turning this team into a perennial playoff teams until we get on with it. DA/Pete and Carr/Winston aren't going to get us there. We all know it and for some reason Loomis is denying he knows it.

I agree with most of this, but I’m not quite ready to say DA /Carr experiment is dead. I really like a lot of our players and I want them to succeed. Prior to this season, on paper, it felt like there was a chance. So I’ll reserve judgement until the season is over. With that said, if we continue to regress, especially the D, then it becomes crystal clear that DA has been spread too thin. Because imo, had we still had a lock down, shut down D, we’d be strolling to the playoffs at 9-3.