Derek Carr practiced today. (1 Viewer)

[TribuneUK]

There's a substantial level of anti-Carr feeling here. I get it, he's not playing winning football consistently at all, but the range of flat earth-level mental contortions going on are next level.

 

[IceHot]

Also, practicing after a concussion is normal. It’s non-contact and symptoms usually go away quickly.

He still has to pass protocol on Sunday morning.

Im neither Pro-Carr or Anti-Carr (well maybe a little pro-Carr). But that Concussion Protocol doesnt mate up with any of my concussion training (as a coach).

Only a medical physician can clear someone from a concussion and the alacrity of his return gives me great questions about our medical staff.

My understanding is typically you have to keep your work rate down or non-existent (even in non-contact training). Being in great athletic shape or feeling great really should have no bearing on how you respond to a concussion. Avoiding mental strain is also important in concussion recovery. I cant imagine how going through pass progressions or studying film can be a healthy part of concussion recovery.

Perhaps he has done enough to meet NFL protocol requirements, but that merely suggests that the NFL protocol is a checkbox with no purpose.

 

[Jesse Custer]

There's a substantial level of anti-Carr feeling here. I get it, he's not playing winning football consistently at all, but the range of flat earth-level mental contortions going on are next level.

I'm just worried about his long-term health and outlook after he gets out of football, same as I was with Tua last season, same as I have been with Olave. Getting concussions close together is never a good thing.

 

[jahsoul357]

I'm just worried about his long-term health and outlook after he gets out of football, same as I was with Tua last season, same as I have been with Olave. Getting concussions close together is never a good thing.

Exactly...I said that when it first happened. We all can have a good internet tussle and laugh when talking about players but with what we know about concussions, it is not about "being tough" considering everyone's brain is different and these things can affect people differently, whether short term or long term. It's not even like he has to be the one who has to look over their shoulders for a job. We've pretty much married ourselves to him for 2 years. I thought it would have been better for him to rest a week and then come back but hey, I guess DA, Carr, and medical know best.

 

[SWJJ]

They gonna be when Carr has a big game against the panthers

 

[PHSaint518]

They gonna be when Carr has a big game against the panthers

If Carr has a big game against the Panthers I’ll say well done, now do it against a team that isn’t coachless and 1-11.

 

[RebSaint]

I would have to disagree with this. I believe that any QB in this day and age that has a system built around them and put in the work could be a successful QB. It is less about skill and more about skill players. That's why you don't see tight window throws, systems based on timing is seen as stale, and big plays are going up while air yards are declining each season. Truth be told, after week 3, we should have rethought the system and what suits Carr the best. Minus the utter lack of play action (which both excel at), a system with heavy intermediate timing routes is more suited for our backup. When Carr has looked his best, it is when we are able to scheme players wide open in space or the dump off (like that vast majority of QBs today. Again, skill vs skill players). I think if we have someone that can build a system like that for Carr, he would succeed but he is kinda set up for failure playing in a system not suited to his strengths (which in actually, that's usually why QBs are called bust, but that's another topic). Sneaky Pete isn't it....lol

What part do you disagree with? I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing. I do not really have any issue with this post with the exception of the fact that not every QB is a "systems" QB who needs just the right system and coaching. Most obviously, do.

My only point is that I do not think Carr would do much better even with quality coaching, playcalling, and a better system.

 

[RebSaint]

(his play action motions usually seem pretty lazy)

Which just supports my post about coaching and Carr. Why does a veteran QB in his early 30s still have lazy mechanics?

I think he's past coachable and won't get much better; in fact, I see him on a downward trajectory based on how many hits to the head he's had this year alone.

 

[jahsoul357]

What part do you disagree with? I think you like to argue for the sake of arguing. I do not really have any issue with this post with the exception of the fact that not every QB is a "systems" QB who needs just the right system and coaching. Most obviously, do.

My only point is that I do not think Carr would do much better even with quality coaching, playcalling, and a better system.

I'm disagreeing on the notion that Carr can't be coached to be an successful QB, as he was pretty good under Del Rio/Musgrave.

Also, if you look at the most successful QBs in the NFL, they are technically system QBs. We've done everything that we could to turn that into a bad phrase but the fact of the matter is. We've seen what happened when Brees left San Diego and came here to have a system built around and for him. We saw Peyton Manning bring his system to Denver. We saw Tom Brady struggling with Arians system and then turned about and implemented parts of what he ran into the New England system to the point where in 2021, Bruce Arians offense was pretty much pushed out the door. Every successful QB found themselves in the right system with good coaching. You would be hard pressed to find a QB that was able to find success with bad coaching and scheming.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

I'm disagreeing on the notion that Carr can't be coached to be an successful QB, as he was pretty good under Del Rio/Musgrave.

Also, if you look at the most successful QBs in the NFL, they are technically system QBs. We've done everything that we could to turn that into a bad phrase but the fact of the matter is. We've seen what happened when Brees left San Diego and came here to have a system built around and for him. We saw Peyton Manning bring his system to Denver. We saw Tom Brady struggling with Arians system and then turned about and implemented parts of what he ran into the New England system to the point where in 2021, Bruce Arians offense was pretty much pushed out the door. Every successful QB found themselves in the right system with good coaching. You would be hard pressed to find a QB that was able to find success with bad coaching and scheming.

You are spot on with Brady, Brees, Manning and so on. The issue with Carr is, he has not been successful to bring a system to New Orleans. And at this age and stage in his career, he is beyond coaching. He is what he is. Couple that with Dennis Allen who has no idea what he is doing, Carr is doomed. Yes, Dennis Allen drafted him but Carr was not successful with him in Oakland, so what made anyone think he would be successful with a second DA stint in New Orleans?

 

[Deuuuuce]

i keep asking this to myself, but i’ll let the people who want carr to sit answer for me. If you want change so bad, wouldn’t you want the worst guy starting? If carr starting leads to allen getting fired and us drafting a qb in the first round next year, why are you so against it? At best benching him makes a bad team slightly less bad. So why does it matter who starts?

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

i keep asking this to myself, but i’ll let the people who want carr to sit answer for me. If you want change so bad, wouldn’t you want the worst guy starting? If carr starting leads to allen getting fired and us drafting a qb in the first round next year, why are you so against it? At best benching him makes a bad team slightly less bad. So why does it matter who starts?

I want Hill to start so that the game could at least be watchable.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I want Hill to start so that the game could at least be watchable.

Making hill start and removing him from the roll he has now would be interesting but i think we’d quickly find out why he’s in the roll he is now

 

[RebSaint]

I'm disagreeing on the notion that Carr can't be coached to be an successful QB, as he was pretty good under Del Rio/Musgrave.

Also, if you look at the most successful QBs in the NFL, they are technically system QBs. We've done everything that we could to turn that into a bad phrase but the fact of the matter is. We've seen what happened when Brees left San Diego and came here to have a system built around and for him. We saw Peyton Manning bring his system to Denver. We saw Tom Brady struggling with Arians system and then turned about and implemented parts of what he ran into the New England system to the point where in 2021, Bruce Arians offense was pretty much pushed out the door. Every successful QB found themselves in the right system with good coaching. You would be hard pressed to find a QB that was able to find success with bad coaching and scheming.

If Carr was younger and healthier I would be inclined to agree.

He's not, and there's evidence that his petulant, selfish behavior and the tendency to deflect blame to others rather than himself is a pattern.

The inability to communicate is a great example. Seems like Carr has more trouble developing a working relationship with WRs more than Dalton, Winston, etc. I know communication is a two-way street...but...

So you're telling me a 32 year old, veteran QB can learn new leadership and communication skills to make him that much better than he is now?

Not buying it.

 

[CowtownSaint]

They gonna be when Carr has a big game against the panthers

Why would anyone be mad? He’s expected to have a big game every game, I expect it, I’m sure the rest do. People are upset and rightfully so, he comes with a heft price tag and is giving very substandard results. Again, I think there is an issue with his ability to create chemistry with his teammates and I do think there is a leadership issue going on.

DA is excasterbating it with how he’s handling things as well.

I wanna see him have a huge game if he actually does start. But I also feel that this is the time to play Winston especially this game. We have lost 3 in a row in horrible fashion. The team needs a shake up and Carr needs to get some more recovery time.

I would love a dominant win but lets be honest, that’s a, I’ll believe it when I see it type thing out of this staff and these players. We’ve won 3 of the last 10.