Does Letting DA Go Make THIS Much Difference Or Was It Also a Function of (2 Viewers)

[Scorpius the Allfather]

Maybe you should go back and listen to it again

I don't need to, I know what I heard.

 

[texasjefe]

Thank you Gayle for being the adult in the room.

 

[DSnfla]

I heard Underhill say that he was getting fired regardless if we beat the Panthers straight from his own mouth.

Nick said that he heard that the decision to fire DA was made before the game and he dismissed it. He also said that if they win the game does that change the decision, possibly. He said that that was the thought process on Friday but a lot of stuff had to happen for that follow through to happen

 

[Madmarsha]

I get it, but saying Keep doing what you're doing is one thing but to actually keep doing it is another.

 

[Nutria]

It's interesting, isn't it? A fiery guy can work out great as a head coach, a rah-rah guy can work, and a calm, quiet guy can work too (see below). All depends. But it just never clicked for Allen.

 

[ilvdsnts]

And we gave up 900 yards on defense but by sheer luck only gave up 31 points. I still think coaching is overrated as far as being the difference between winning and losing in this league. I would bet that Rizzi loses both games without Taysom Hill.

The difference is DA loses both games even WITH Taysom Hill. So coaching can be the difference.

 

[ilvdsnts]

please don’t take this as support for Allen, but Rizzi would be doing a whole lot of losing without Carr and Hill. They are the difference between a bottom 10 offense and an above average onDA did a wholevlotbo

please don’t take this as support for Allen, but Rizzi would be doing a whole lot of losing without Carr and Hill. They are the difference between a bottom 10 offense and an above average one.

DA did a whole lot of losing even WITH Carr and Hill.

 

[Hedon James]

It's interesting, isn't it? A fiery guy can work out great as a head coach, a rah-rah guy can work, and a calm, quiet guy can work too (see below). All depends. But it just never clicked for Allen.

I remember reading an article about Landry where the interviewer was questioning his stoic sideline demeanor. I'm paraphrasing, but the gist of Landry's response was that as HC, his job was to prepare his team Monday-Saturday for the upcoming game; and it was his coordinators' jobs to execute the prepared plan; and his players' jobs to actually play the game on Sundays. He considered Sundays his "report card" for what kind of job he did as HC Mon-Sat. As a young football player at the time (pee-wee football), his response was foreign to me and totally blew my mind. But it also explained everything I saw on the TV on gamedays.

And I remember an interview with Roger Staubach at a later date, referencing the interview with Landy and Landry's sideline demeanor. Roger confirmed that Landry's demeanor was the same whether you threw a TD pass, or threw a pick-6. But he was quick to add that was NOT the Landry you'd see in Monday's practice. Come Monday....that was Landry's time to coach, and he was gonna be ALL OVER you about it. If players made mistakes during the game, Monday's practice was not something to look forward to.

I think the definition of a "fiery, emotional coach" needs to be clarified. Based on what I've read, practice Landry fit that mold even if game Landry did not. Jim Harbaugh is a pretty fiery guy (not a fan of him, just citing example) who has made the Chargers pretty competitive in just his 1st season. Andy Reid is probably the current gold standard of NFL head coaches, and he probably has the most stoic sideline demeanor of current HCs. I wonder what he's like in practice?

A very popular cliche is that "practice makes perfect." And intuitively, it makes sense. But one of MY favorite cliches disputes that notion by clarifying that "PERFECT practice makes perfect." Practice does help your performance. But if you have sloppy practices, you're just perfecting sloppy. I think the GREAT HCs demand perfection, even in practice. Attention to detail...ALL details, sends the message that the little things matter, because they DO matter. The NFL is full of talented players...the best of the best at whatever they do. The difference between NFL capable (practice squad); NFL caliber (starter); All Pro (top 5-10 at your position); and HOF (one of best to EVER play the game) are the accumulation of the little things a player does just a little better than everyone else. A GREAT HC demands that from his players.

I'm not sure stoic vs fiery is the discussion to be having. I think it's attention to detail; setting the standard; and ensuring the details are attended to in order to achieve that standard. And "fear of loss is a greater motivator than opportunity to gain". I'm not talking W-L "loss", I'm talking about something greater, something internal that DRIVES. A HC has to recognize that different players have different currencies, and every player has to fear repercussions from the HC. If there are no repercussions, there is no fear of loss.

So I think the criteria is probably:

• leader of men; others want to follow your lead. not simply "willing", but genuinely WANT to
• attention to detail; EVERYTHING matters. stack enough grains of sand and you have a beach. but it starts with ONE grain.
• motivator; can provide genuine fear of loss of whatever currency a particular player trades in

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Admittedly, that win was a surprise, but how often do we split with ATL no matter how good or bad each team is that year. Also, Cousins moved the ball up and down the field on us. If it wasn't for Koo having the worst game of his career, we would've lost.

The first game against Atlanta, they didn't score an offensive TD and beat us on a last second, career longest field goal by that same Koo after a pass interference penalty. If they hadn't had the pass interference, a muffed punt into the endzone and a fluke pick six they would have lost.

It's football. And as you mentioned, this rivalry is usually close and a season split. We each won the game that we probably shouldn't have.

 

[AARPSaint]

Preparation is everything. The consensus is that the team was not well prepared largely due to the lack of attention to detail.

Where the HC MUST be active during the game is monitoring the officiating, including challenges, ball spotting, penalties, clock management, et al. I don’t know how vociferous guys like Landry and Caldwell were, but a calm demeanor when the officials mess up doesn’t seem very helpful. And, given how atrocious the offliciating has been, that’s important even if you can’t change the call in my view. It’s a matter of the coach being engaged in the game.

 

[St. Widge]

I get it, but saying Keep doing what you're doing is one thing but to actually keep doing it is another.

Yeah, I actually think DA only said that like one time in reference to Andy Dalton when Dalton had just thrown 3 Interceptions in the first half of a game, but the fans picked up on it and the fans were the ones that kept repeating it.

So, it's more that DA actually kept doing what he was doing that was the problem more than him saying keep doing what you're doing.

Although, to be fair, DA was very fond of saying keep chopping wood, but again, not as fond as the fans were of saying it.

 

[Cgrob81]

The first game against Atlanta, they didn't score an offensive TD and beat us on a last second, career longest field goal by that same Koo after a pass interference penalty. If they hadn't had the pass interference, a muffed punt into the endzone and a fluke pick six they would have lost.

It's football. And as you mentioned, this rivalry is usually close and a season split. We each won the game that we probably shouldn't have.

Agree, and you are what your record says you are. Ours says 4-7. Lol

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Agree, and you are what your record says you are. Ours says 4-7. Lol

Theres an argument to be made that with a new Head Coach, you could start the slate tracking clean. The coaches are clearly coaching different. The players are clearly playing better, and trying harder to play better and better.

Its the same team on paper minus the Head Coach, but to the naked eye during game time its a very, very different team.

 

[Cgrob81]

Theres an argument to be made that with a new Head Coach, you could start the slate tracking clean. The coaches are clearly coaching different. The players are clearly playing better, and trying harder to play better and better.

Its the same team on paper minus the Head Coach, but to the naked eye during game time its a very, very different team.

I get the excitement bc we won 2 in a row, but I would personally disagree there. This team still looks very undisciplined to me. Granted I get that any new coaching will take time to change things, but I still see a team that CONSTANLY shoots themselves in the foot. How many times have we seen this team in a crucial 3rd or 4th down, and they shoot themselves in the foot? Even if they convert, you see a flag with a holding call on the Saints. Defense still doesn't have the technique to defend a pass without getting a PI. They just find ways to screw it up. There is a HUGE difference in teams like the Chiefs, Ravens, Rams compared to a team like the Saints. This team just makes stupid mistakes at the wrong times.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Agree, and you are what your record says you are. Ours says 4-7. Lol

You know your original post about the Saints winning a game they shouldn't have contradicts the "you are what your records says you are" catchphrase.