Dome Team = Offensive Team (1 Viewer)

[texasjefe]

I'd like an offense head coach because the Saints must be scoring in at least the mid-high 20's in alot of their games, and I'd prefer a head coach who is directly accountable for that.

But Loomis will choose our coach and if Aaron Glenn is his guy, there's plenty there to be excited about and rally around. If it's not AG, then the odds grow that it will be an offense coach.

Whoever they bring in as head coach.... he must be able to evaluate and develop talent, and build on or turn over a roster with limited financial resources and a limited old and and developmental young QB.

They are doing right by interviewing a big first group of guys, because they really need to hear alot of different assessments and approaches to getting this team out of the pit they are stuck in.

 

[NatureBoy]

A great passing game is fueled by a solid running game. I agree that you take advantage of your circumstances, but you must establish the rush.

 

[RJS]

The top 5 scoring teams this year:

1. Detroit - non play calling HC
2. Buffalo - Defensive HC
3. Baltimore - Special Teams HC
4. Tampa Bay - Defensive HC
5. Washington - Defensive HC

 

[Saint Greg]

A defensive coach can draft a QB and a defensive coach can have an OC and/or QB Coach that can develop at young QB. It's happened many times from Steve Young, to Payton Manning, to Tom Brady.

Maybe just a coincidence that none of those guys were drafted in the past quarter century...but it's worth noting. I'm not sure I'd have Steve Young on that list since he was traded for and developed under Bill Walsh. But we really need to be talking about guys in the past decade for this point to be relevant.

In many recent cases the defensive coach happened to be going to a team that was in position to draft a top QB. Texans and Commanders are examples of that. Both of them are in danger of losing their OCs this offseason.

We aren't in that position so if we hire a defensive guy he's not going to have CJ Stroud or Jayden Daniels fall into his lap. So we really need an offensive/qb guru more than those teams to either develop a later draft pick or find the right guy in free agency or through a trade to develop.

 

[St. Widge]

I don’t need evidence because there’s nothing to argue. It is a fact that the Saints play indoors. It is a fact that every stadium provides certain advantages. It is a fact that it’s easier to throw the ball accurately inside due to the lack of elements.

It is also a fact that the Falcons play indoors. That means a MINIMUM of 9 out of 17 games a season will be played inside. That means 100% of your regular seasons will play the majority of your games indoors.

You can say that it is an opinion that you should design your team with consideration of your natural advantages. You would be wrong but you (especially you) certainly deserve to have that wrong opinion.

Maybe you are right, but I'm curious what evidence you have that it is easier to throw the ball indoors than outdoors? I get that it seems like it would be that way, but lots of times those impressions turn out to be wrong when we look at numbers. And there are plenty of great passing teams that played outdoors, i.e. 80s and 90s San Francisco, 70s and 80s Chargers, 80s Dolphins, and 2000s Patriots. I'm sure there are more that I am not thinking of, but the common denominator seems to be having a great QB, not where you play.

So, I think your team should take on the identity of the players you have. If you have a great QB, throw the ball. If you have a great RB, run the ball, etc.

 

[No2DC]

If we had a hall of fame QB on the roster I might be more open to the defensive thing. We don’t. Do you think Aaron Glenn is going to help us find one? Tomlin can’t find one. And won’t win another superbowl until he does.

An offensive coach without the right quarterback is only part of the equation. Every team in the playoffs remaining has a quarterback of HOF caliber. Also, don't forget about Buffalo and Washington ( I'm not saying JD is a HOF guy, but he does have that type of potential).

 

[TenTwo]

Maybe you are right, but I'm curious what evidence you have that it is easier to throw the ball indoors than outdoors? I get that it seems like it would be that way, but lots of times those impressions turn out to be wrong when we look at numbers. And there are plenty of great passing teams that played outdoors, i.e. 80s and 90s San Francisco, 70s and 80s Chargers, 80s Dolphins, and 2000s Patriots. I'm sure there are more that I am not thinking of, but the common denominator seems to be having a great QB, not where you play.

So, I think your team should take on the identity of the players you have. If you have a great QB, throw the ball. If you have a great RB, run the ball, etc.

The combine is held indoors every year. A controlled environment means less variables, means less factors to disrupt the accuracy of a pass. It’s basic math.

You’re right that you should build around the players you have, but the coaches and players you have are acquired through the vision of the coach and GM. You need a great QB and an offense that will build an offense around his strengths.

I love the Ravens offense as much as anyone. I would love to have that…but the reality is, it would be less optimal in New Orleans.

Tell me, what is the last great run first offense that played out of a dome and what did they win?

 

[LonghornSaintsFan]

It sort of helps when you have a HoF QB behind center when you start lighting up on offense.

 

[St. Widge]

The combine is held indoors every year. A controlled environment means less variables, means less factors to disrupt the accuracy of a pass. It’s basic math.

You’re right that you should build around the players you have, but the coaches and players you have are acquired through the vision of the coach and GM. You need a great QB and an offense that will build an offense around his strengths.

I love the Ravens offense as much as anyone. I would love to have that…but the reality is, it would be less optimal in New Orleans.

Tell me, what is the last great run first offense that played out of a dome and what did they win?

I would love to have a passing offense and I would love to have a mobile QB. But we don't really have the QB to do that at this point and I don't see a path to it in this draft. Maybe next draft or maybe Rattler develops. Until then, I think you have to just get the best players you can whether they are on offense or defense and you run the scheme that fits your talent. But, sure, long term I'd like to see this team to build to a more pass oriented offense like McVay, Payton, and Kingsbury run. If for no other reason it's the kind of offense that lets you jump out in front of teams, is more exciting, and lets you use a more exciting, blitzing defense.

BTW, Detroit is more or less run first offense and Ford Field is an indoor stadium. But, I don't want a run first offense and I'm not sure if you would consider them great, but they have been pretty great for a couple years.

 

[TenTwo]

I would love to have a passing offense and I would love to have a mobile QB. But we don't really have the QB to do that at this point and I don't see a path to it in this draft. Maybe next draft or maybe Rattler develops. Until then, I think you have to just get the best players you can whether they are on offense or defense and you run the scheme that fits your talent. But, sure, long term I'd like to see this team to build to a more pass oriented offense like McVay, Payton, and Kingsbury run. If for no other reason it's the kind of offense that lets you jump out in front of teams, is more exciting, and lets you use a more exciting, blitzing defense.

BTW, Detroit is more or less run first offense and Ford Field is an indoor stadium. But, I don't want a run first offense and I'm not sure if you would consider them great, but they have been pretty great for a couple years.

Obviously Detroits offense has been successful and they are also in a controlled environment.

Right now we are leading the league leverages of play calls in rushing attempts. I think we all remember how frustrated we would get with Payton at times because we would abandon the run. There’s definitely a happy medium. I think ideally our run game is opened up by the pass.

Obviously we need the personnel up execute that type of offense. And as others have mentioned, you design an offense to match your personal strengths.

I’m saying it’s time to shift personnel acquisition focus to players who can pass block, throw the ball quickly and efficiently, and run vertical/seam routes with good size and great speed.

The defense should be pass rush oriented with the anticipation that you will be in high scoring games. Speedy rushers, smaller faster LBers and elite man cover corners.

 

[ThibodauxSaint]

I lean more towards wanting an offensive minded head coach for the simple fact of continuity. An offensive minded coach can run his offense year to year and can hire a defensive coordinator to handle that side of the ball. Defensive minded head coaches are not as sought after year to year so even if you have a good DC he probably sticks around for a while. On the flip side if you go defensive minded head coach and he hires an OC does well he'll probably get hired away quickly. I just feel like you'd be constantly changing your offense year to year or every other year. I mean I guess its a good problem to have but there's no continuity there.

 

[Domeination]

Dear Saints,

Your home field is played on Field Turf. It’s a fast surface. It’s also hard to fall on compared to grass. Stop trying to be something you’re not. That’s why we have all these injuries, trying to be a defensive run oriented football team like this team plays in upstate NY in the cold wet mud.

This is a Dome team.

Perfect temperature, no wind, no weather. Use this to YOUR ADVANTAGE.

Give me a high flying offense and entertain me. New Orleans is an entertainment city and we want to be ENTERTAINED!

Hire a coach who will bring that. Don’t get wrapped up in fixing this old arsed Dennis Allen reclamation project.

Give me a pass first offense and let’s win some shoot outs.

Sean Payton understood the assignment.

The Dome Patrol says hello.

 

[TenTwo]

The Dome Patrol says hello.

How successful were those teams?

 

[Domeination]

How successful were those teams?

You act like we have to be either a great offensive team, or a dull defensive team. The fact is a good coach would develop both a good offense and a good defense. We had that for a few years under Payton, but not enough. There is not need to go back to the Payton years when we only had good offense.