Draft JJ McCarthy (1 Viewer)

[RJS]

I've noticed that McCarthy is becoming a trendy mock draft pick to Denver at 12.

 

[TooDopeGoldRope]

This is like comparing Colt Brennan to Peyton Manning because he far and away had better stats than him in college. It doesn't always translate to the pro's.

I would argue that JJ had ridiculous talent around him (WR / RB / OLine / DEF) which inflated his stats.

Colt Brennan - 14,193 yards - 131 TD / 42 INT
Peyton Manning - 11,201 yards - 89 TD / 33 INT

We have much bigger issues than QB; unless one of the top guys slides to the second round we need to look elsewhere:
Offensive Line / Defensive Line / Safety / Tight End / Running back -- in that order

And Id argue Colt Brennan didn’t just forget how to throw a football. These crapshoot organizations ruin talented players all the time.

Look at Andrew Luck who’s essentially supposed to having the career Patrick Mahomes is having.

 

[TooDopeGoldRope]

Yes!!

We MUST retool upfront on both sides. It should be early rounds of no "sexy" picks. Just take the big uglies and lets rebuild up front on both sides. Unless like you said, some of the stars fall.

That has yielded little to no fruit for us here lately. We’ve done the drafting , time for us to hire a position coach that can yank the talent and performances out of these dudes.

Yet and still you go nowhere in this league without a Quarterback

 

[TooDopeGoldRope]

I'm sure he does. He just directly coached this kid for how many years?

How many other HC / OC would say the same thing about their players?

How many other HC / OC have been to a Super Bowl and National Championship?

Biased as it may be , he’s very much so qualified to make such an assertion.

For the record , he took a kid from Nevada nobody had ever heard of to the Super Bowl.

Wonder what he thinks a kid that won the national championship is capable of ?

 

[St. Geezy]

I just can’t envision the team taking a QB at this point, with this “all in for DA” approach.

 

[Elvis]

That has yielded little to no fruit for us here lately. We’ve done the drafting , time for us to hire a position coach that can yank the talent and performances out of these dudes.

Yet and still you go nowhere in this league without a Quarterback

Man, I really can't disagree with what you're saying. But we're stuck with Carr for 2 more seasons minimum. It's a mistake we can't get out of for a variety of reasons. The best we can hope for is to build around him, but not for him so that when the opportunity to draft a QB in a couple of years we won't ruin him with a bad line, a bad running game and bad pass catchers.

 

[TooDopeGoldRope]

Ehh

A++++ post right here.
It also has to do with timing as well though. A good time (to draft a QB) would’ve been when we trotted out AD/JW (2022) but the draft didn’t have any good QBs.
Thats why I have always said that our franchise is a huge victim of “timing”. I can post 1,000,000 reasons why regarding our history, but I don’t have that kind of time. Plus, a lot of those reasons were due to our own decisions which made us a victim of timing, and some were out of our control.

The best time to draft a quarterback is when you don’t have your answer for the future. This is what led to so many passing on Mahomes and Jackson. Until you find your definitive answer, you keep trying for it. Carr is many things , the future of the Saints is not one of them.

 

[BBarnes]

That has yielded little to no fruit for us here lately. We’ve done the drafting , time for us to hire a position coach that can yank the talent and performances out of these dudes.

Yet and still you go nowhere in this league without a Quarterback

We are not getting a QB this year that will make a difference in the immediate future, We have our QB for at least this year and the organization made it clear.

Do not think I am saying you are wrong. If they go QB that would be fine, I love prepping for the future because I do not believe this team is a threat to do any damage next season. However, building from the inside out to me is the best way to go I believe, I think SF modeling that is a good example. However, if one of the ELITE college QB's (one of the top 2 or 3) fall and you have that chance then you take him.

However, we still have holes on the fronts, on the OL......

In the last 5 years we have drafted 2 starters on the OL. One of those was a center we moved to G. Other than that we have drafted projects during that time frame with the 103rd 4th round pick in Saldiveri from Old Dominion, 19th pick with Penning from Northern Iowa, 203rd 6th round pick in Young.

None of those have even shown flashes that they are ready to be starters. We have drafted depth and still have holes in which we are not sure we can fill in FA.


On the DL we have drafted three interior DL in the last 8 years. Rankins who is playing in Houston, Bresee who seems like a hit, and Jordan Jackson who hasn't played a rep in the NFL.

At DE we drafted Foskey in 2023, Turner in 2021 who seems to have found his niche possibly, and Davenport in 2018 who's continued to be a bust in Minnesota.

We lack any consistent pass rush because we have very few edge players if more than one, that can create pressure consistently beating one on one situations. They just control Granderson and don't have to worry really about Jordan anymore.

We still need significant talent on our fronts. I would be fine with a QB for the future if the coach of the long term future was in the building.

 

[BBarnes]

Ehh

The best time to draft a quarterback is when you don’t have your answer for the future. This is what led to so many passing on Mahomes and Jackson. Until you find your definitive answer, you keep trying for it. Carr is many things , the future of the Saints is not one of them.

We definitely agree on this. You are not wrong. I just do not think the organization thinks like this. LOL

I think getting a good rookie QB on a rookie deal is paramount, but I also know you can build a start talented roster and be strong on the fronts and get a mid QB like Purdy and be successful

 

[Rexman100]

I'm sure he does. He just directly coached this kid for how many years?

How many other HC / OC would say the same thing about their players?

Brian Kelly said that Jayden Daniels was the best Qb hes ever coached, then he went on and won the Heisman. Just because the coach may be a little biased doesn't make it untrue

 

[SammyIsGod]

For what it's worth, a buddy of mine is a high school football coach and HATES this guy. All throughout the college playoffs he was saying this guy has no touch, doesn't go through his reads well, misses open guys, bad decision maker, etc. I personally don't think he's "that" bad, but I did notice a few of those things from time to time, and he looks a little small/skinny for my liking.

 

[Trey W.]

For what it's worth, a buddy of mine is a high school football coach and HATES this guy. All throughout the college playoffs he was saying this guy has no touch, doesn't go through his reads well, misses open guys, bad decision maker, etc. I personally don't think he's "that" bad, but I did notice a few of those things from time to time, and he looks a little small/skinny for my liking.

I was thinking JJ didn’t have that many passes attempted this year but he’s on par with the top QB names in the draft (except for Penix who threw a lot), and he had a 72.3 comp%.

Pass Attempts
JJ - 332
Daniels - 327
Penix - 555
Maybe - 425
Williams - 388

Michigan was a heavy run team and never had to rely on JJ to win games. That is my biggest concern with JJ. He seems to have fairly strong arm (the combine will let us see), he’s 6’3” 202lbs. which is kind of light.

It will be interesting to see how he performs and scouts evaluate him at the combine. I definitely wouldn’t use a 1st on him, but if he’s there in the 3rd I would be ok with drafting him.

 

[webster]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see SP pull the trigger on JJ.

 

[Hedon James]

Michigan is my 2nd favorite team (after LSU) and while I do like JJ, Michigan never really needed him to be engine that runs the team. Against Penn St. JJ only had 6 passes all in the 1st half. He had one pass in the 2nd half which was negated by a PI.

I’m not saying JJ can’t be a good NFL QB but I don’t think he’ll be year one ready. If the plan is to sit him behind DC and develop him to take over after DC’s contract then I can get behind it if we draft him in the 2nd but I would not use a 1st on him.

I can endorse your take Trey. I don't like McCarthy, because I'm a lifelong Penn State homer; but I can acknowledge what my eyes saw....a worthy opponent. I didn't watch him all season, but I saw the Penn State game; I watched the Michigan/Ohio State game; I watched the Big10 game against Iowa, where Iowa got destroyed. I watched that thriller against 'Bama. I rooted AGAINST Michigan each time (PSU/Michigan/OhioSt is like Saints/Falcons/Panthers rivalry), and each of those teams sported VERY STOUT defenses. McCarthy is calm, cool and collected...neither the game, nor the moment is too big for him. He is clutch in critical moments. He didn't CARRY the team, but he wasn't asked to...that defense and that run game (Corum?) was BRUTAL. But he did enough in the passing game to be considered dangerous....which kept the opponent's defense honest, and kept the running game open. He did what was asked of him, when it was asked of him, and he did it well.

Could he be a franchise QB in the NFL? I don't know. But I do know that he has the "intangibles" you look for in a franchise QB (at least the ones I consider relevant), which I consider MORE important than the physical tools. I wouldn't be upset if the Saints took him, as long as it was with a 2nd rounder. And of course, I'd start rooting FOR him, rather than against him.

OTOH.....considering what the 9ers staff did with 7th rounder Brock Purdy, I'd be anxious to know KK's thoughts about Haener. Seems like all the things that folks are noticing about Purdy's game.....the pre-snap reads; the anticipation; the quick decision-making....are all things that Haener has in his toolbag? The only knock against Haener that I'm aware of are his draft round and his size. But if there's anything Saints fans know, it's that a small QB isn't necessarily a problem? I wonder if KKs preferred QB isn't already on the roster? Don't know....but really want to hear KK speak on his vision.

But if Haener isn't a guy KK is intrigued with, this Michigan-hater could support McCarthy in the B&G for the reasons cited above. JMO...

 

[Nonreg]

Brian Kelly said that Jayden Daniels was the best Qb hes ever coached, then he went on and won the Heisman. Just because the coach may be a little biased doesn't make it untrue

I don’t know that there’s a legendary list of QB he has worked with.

Ian Book? Deshon Kizer?