Opinion ESPN’s Bill Barnwell rates the Saints as least desirable job for HC candidates [mod edit] (1 Viewer)

[DSnfla]

How does being on a one year deal stop guys from respecting you, when being on a 8 game contract hasn't stopped players from respecting him?

It's not about respect it's about having a HC with a 1 yr deal. Players will have little confidence he'll be here past that 1 yr and that makes their job insecure as well

 

[DSnfla]

Or...hear me out on this. If they win..you can just extend him. Plenty of coaches have coached w/ 1 year on their contract. Tomlin most recently if I'm not mistaken.

I think this argument, despite my ability to poke holes in it, has nothign to do w/ the players respecting him or not or a 1 year deal or whatever is the tool. Yall don't want Rizzi as HC lol, and see no reason in giving him the keys for a year regardless of how much sense it makes.

I shall see myself out the door. Please carry on.

It's not about 1 yr left on a contract it's about a 1 yr contract. 1st any self respecting HC would not take it. Then all your decision making is based on how many games I can win THIS yr and no long term future. From who to draft to who to sign and let go to who to start.

 

[DSnfla]

Safe from the GM, but not the owner as we just witnessed. Someone is in her ear, but apparently not when it comes to Loomis. Then we have a lack of talent that can’t be remedied. I don’t think I’d step into that situation unless I didn’t have other choices.

Context, A new HC will have 10x more latitude than a 3rd yr HC that has underperformed. And I guess you just don't listen to what ML has said on the firing of DA. It was a consensus decision. Also Underhill said on more than 1 occasion that he thought ML was going to fire DA at the end of the season.

 

[DSnfla]

If we believe Gayle, it was the players that were in her ear. Anway, all reports are that Loomis did not fight the decision and that he was likely going to let DA go at the end of the year. Some might even argue that would have been the better move since it gets you a higher draft pick. But, frankly, I think DA should have been let go 2 years ago and certainly after last year. But, I do think that willingness to give a HC all the rope he wants to hand himself is going to be attractive to some coaches.

The lack of talent can be remedied and the owner still gave a terrible HC 1 1/2 years more than he should have gotten.

The cap will be reset in two years and the thing about Loomis is that the personnel decisions are as good as the head coach is at making personnel decisions since Loomis clearly lets a HC pick his own team. If you are a HC that wants that kind of control and monetary backing there are advantages to this job in addition to the fact that we do have some good young talent and the talent we do have was clearly not being maximized by DA.

I mean even DA had more or less this roster close to a .500 team so a competent coach would have had them in the playoffs in this terrible division. So there is a base to work with here that a new HC can build on while having a patient front office who will give him the players he wants after a 2 year reset that will buy him even more time.

It's not the most attractive job, but it's in the jumble of all the other jobs. Just depends on what situation each coach is most comfortable with. Personally, I'd steer way clear the the Jets, Cleveland, and Raiders jobs. And if it wasn't for Burrow, I'd steer way clear of the Bengals job if it came open. But Burrow makes that job attractive alone.

LOL sometimes ( I said sometimes LOL ) I could have typed your posts myself.
Yes is sounds like it was the players in her ear and that's scary. I think the ATL game of last yr is where the players voiced their opinion on DA by running it from the V formation. Almost nothing he could have done after that would have changed it. One of the worst things an owner or a GM can do is listen to the players. You get Antonio Pierce if you do that.

I know this will be unpopular but the team we had in the 1st 2 games of the yr is closer to the team we would have had ( Not exactly ) at the end of the yr if we were not maybe THE most decimated by injuries and key injuries of any team in the last 25-30 yrs. All this next man up BS is just that , BS. A team can withstand a few injuries other than QB and it's a speed bump. But in no way the amount and to who we have. If you think a team could, then I'm sorry you are wrong.

The only good thing about our injury situation this yr is that it got DA fired, that's it. And maybe we get a higher pick. Most people knew we were never going to make it to the SB with DA, so I guess it's better to move on now rather than make it to the playoffs a yr or 2 and just fizzle out

 

[DSnfla]

That Bears job looks unattractive after that disaster last night.

No, it's still very attractive if you're a good HC candidate

 

[DSnfla]

Cleveland actually has a decent, respectable roster and has some good pieces in place to become a halfway-decent, competitive team a lot sooner than lets say Raiders or the Jets. A smart, instinctive up-and-coming HC with a very good, loaded draft next year with a proven veteran QB could actually make Las Vegas a 8-9/9-8 win team again like they were in 2023.

Kevin Stefanski has probably been the Browns best HC since they essentially returned as a expansion franchise in all but name in 1999. The two biggest, most glaring problems facing Cleveland is an woefully stupid, clueless FO and ownership who gave a good QB with a questionable background a guaranteed contract that upended the NFL's power dynamic for a while due to their desperate stupidity and the fact that Cleveland plays in one of the NFL's toughest, hardest divisions since the old, ultra-tough NFC West from 1970-2001. If Cleveland was in the AFC South, they'd probably be 7-8 or 6-9 right now.

Joe Burrow is a great, transcendent QB whose having a NFL MVP-CALIBER season statistically with a team that at best, might finish at 9-8 for the second, consecutive season. That magical SB run in 2021 seems quite some time ago and Burrow has to be wondering if he wants to continue in the great tradition of past good or great Bengals QB's like Ken Anderson, Boomer Easiason, Carson Palmer, and Andy Dalton who had great statistical careers (especially Ken Anderson, IMHO, a HOFer) but due to inept, bad FO decisions and frankly, incompetent cheap ownership like Mike Brown, rarely built great supporting casts like Pittsburgh and Baltimore did.

If I'm Joe Burrow, no matter if Zac Taylor stays for a few more seasons and leads you to a couple one-and-done WC losses or some relative nobody cheap-arse Mike Brown hires because he doesn't want to pay good money for a proven HC or coordinator, do I want to stay in Cincy my entire career busting my arse for a franchise that doesn't meet me even 25% of the way with sheetty draft picks and terrible FA signings? Just like all the others, do I want to take that chance or do I try and sign with a franchise that does have a smart owner with a already-good roster like Seattle or San Francisco?

Stafanski's not going anywhere. Taylor gets at least 1 more yr

 

[DSnfla]

It was pressure from the fans that got DA fired. Many of them wanted him fired the day he got hired. Carr is in the same situation. There’s a group of fans that will swear he’s the worst quarterback in the NFL until he’s gone.

It wasn't the fans it was Mrs. B. listening to the players and then she and ML and Lauscha all agreeing to fire him mid-season instead of at the end of the season

 

[Saint Greg]

It wasn't the fans it was Mrs. B. listening to the players and then she and ML and Lauscha all agreeing to fire him mid-season instead of at the end of the season

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reported that Benson and her ownership group “was hearing from the fan base in a way they hadn't before, and their resolve was strengthened through that, to the point where perception inside the building holds that Allen might've been fired Monday even if he'd beaten the Carolina

 

[Saintman2884]

If there’s an Urban Meyer-level disaster happening then sure, pull the cord, but no fanbase experiencing the coaching carousel is having a good time on it. Hiring and firing coaches every 2 years is how you become the Browns.

The craziest irony in responding to this sort of coaching carousel is that the current-Browns HC, Kevin Stefanski, might be the Browns' best HC since they re-emerged on the scene back in 1999 and perhaps their most successful since Marty Schottenheimer over 36 years ago. Try to name the last Browns HC to lead them to three winning seasons and two playoff berths and actually still have something resembling an overall win-loss record since Marty Ball left shortly after the 1988 season for a decade-long, arguably more successful run with the Kansas City Chiefs.

 

[Saintman2884]

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reported that Benson and her ownership group “was hearing from the fan base in a way they hadn't before, and their resolve was strengthened through that, to the point where perception inside the building holds that Allen might've been fired Monday even if he'd beaten the Carolina

I think their were serious whispers or open discussions being held about possibly firing Allen maybe 2-3 weeks before even that loss @ Carolina?

 

[Cajun Chat]

There is currently running on the ESPN website a piece by Bill Barnwell rating the desirability of the HC jobs that will be filled after this season. The link is very long, but you can find the article by going a quick Google search or simply going at this time to the ESPN website.

Note that Barnwell assumed nine teams would be looking for a new HC--including teams like New England, Miami and Tennessee that probably won't be as well as Las Vegas. Because there is a paywall, I do not know what the rankings are except the Saints are listed ninth. Strengths for the Saints were ownership and the division. Weaknesses were our roster and salary-cap issues.

I happen to think Barnwell is right about the Saints being the least desirable job. In addition to our salary-cap challenges, we have no quarterback and a team with too few young players who are foundation pieces going forward. I would love to see Mike Vrabel as our next coach. I do not see Vrabel wanting to come to the Saints.

Just read the article on ESPN's site. Hard to argue that this is the least desirable place to come coach....then again we were in 2006 as well. January 18, 2009 the tide began to turn. March 14, 2006 we signed Drew. The rest until 4 years ago and 3 years ago respectively are history.

Anything is possible. Will the current ownership and leadership make the changes necessary to right this ship?

 

[JackDiesel]

Just read the article on ESPN's site. Hard to argue that this is the least desirable place to come coach....then again we were in 2006 as well. January 18, 2009 the tide began to turn. March 14, 2006 we signed Drew. The rest until 4 years ago and 3 years ago respectively are history.

Anything is possible. Will the current ownership and leadership make the changes necessary to right this ship?

In 2006 it was like a blank canvas. Sure Katrina and everything made it very sketchy but if you were a coach that wanted control and freedom then we were a great landing spot. Cap room to do whatever and the #2 overall pick in a draft that featured a generational RB and a few good QB prospects.

 

[Saint Jack]

In 2006 it was like a blank canvas. Sure Katrina and everything made it very sketchy but if you were a coach that wanted control and freedom then we were a great landing spot. Cap room to do whatever and the #2 overall pick in a draft that featured a generational RB and a few good QB prospects.

During that 2006 coaching search, the Saints were far from viewed as a blank canvas.
The threat of relocation due to the hurricane and just the general stigma of the Saints at the time (on the same level of the Clippers) was enough for a high school job to jump up on the ladder of attractive jobs.

Whatever the Saints got now, they are miles….MILES ahead of where they were in January 2006.

 

[Kingston]

To me the one positive he gave us “ownership” is enough for us to be desirable. Think of the ego on most of these would be coaching hires. I am sure they think they can fix anything and if they don’t why in the heck would you want them in the first place? Do you want a guy who says this is too hard I am out?

We have good ownership that lets the cooks cook and stays out of the kitchen also we have ownership that has patience. Just think about how annoying it is to work for Jerry Jones while you’re giving your post game press conference he is doing his own audience with the media out in the ghall postgame. You have to deal with him and his son Steven who both think they know more about your job than you do. Or think what it’s like to work for Haslam in Cleveland where you can have your whole draft board set up and he comes in to the war room and says screw that we are picking someone else because a homeless man told me to.

Ownership and ownership willing to spend $$ to field a winner is the most important thing and we have it. I don’t see us having much trouble landing a coach.

 

[Hubig]

Get ready to embrace more mediocre Saints seasons if they hire Aaron Glenn. Lazy hire.