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LSU is well represented at the bottom of the page as well.
3 of the top 10 games of the BCS era
the 2nd best player of the BCS era
3 of the top 10 teams of the BCS era
and the 2005 season was mentioned as well
not too bad
3 of the top 10 games of the BCS era
the 2nd best player of the BCS era
3 of the top 10 teams of the BCS era
and the 2005 season was mentioned as well
not too bad
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Good article MLU... Thanks!
Couple thoughts...
1. I'll be extremely glad when we are past the days when blacks receiving a job qualifies as a significant achievement. I'm sick of hearing about the first black to win a super bowl, or first black this, or first that. I feel like every time that we differentiate them, we just delay the day that we see them as individuals, and not by the color of their skin.
2. Isn't it weird that he feels that out of alllllll of our most memorable moments, any of our four national championships in that era doesn't even crack the top ten? We're past the point where winning a national championship qualifies as news. In fact, it's more of a shock when we don't win it as designated by auburn's 2004 season ranking as #3 behind only Croom and the creation of the BCS. That's pretty impressive!
3. In the SEC's top 10 players of the BCS era section, how in the world is our only heisman winner not higher up on that list? Tebow was the only sophomore out of the ENTIRE history of college football nationwide to ever have won a heisman! He also beat out LSU's Glen Dorsey and Arkansas's McFadden to win the Heisman. True they have both had much longer careers, but still... I'd have to go with Tebow on this one. Perhaps if it wasn't a big deal for a Sophomore to win it, I'd wouldn't feel this way though? I dunno...
4. I know we have won a lot of BCS titles, but I feel like we would have won more if we had had a playoff. Anyone else think the 2006 LSU Tigers were probably the most dangerous team by the end of that year? I know Florida won it that year, but still... Also Awbarn would have had a great chance in 04. Georgia might have earned a championship that year they blew LSU out of the SECCG, but I don't remember much about their season. I just remember how dominate they were at the end of the year. And back when Spurrier was leading the charge at Florida, he'd probably have had several national championships by now. He had some AMAZING teams.
5, How in the world does a 2004 awbarn team rank as the #1 team for the SEC, when we have FOUR national championship teams to consider? I don't believe they were all that great in terms of SEC history. I honestly felt like they should have lost to LSU that year, if not for some questionable calls. And I was not impressed with their bowl victory that year, and felt they probably would have lost to USC that year. However I definitely felt they deserved to find out what if... Tubbie might have called a great gameplan or they might have played better in a championship? But still! No way they were the best team.
6. Is the only reason the 2003 LSU Ole Piss game even mentioned is because of Eli Manning? Ok yea, it was a pretty good game to watch and all... But they're still Ole Piss! There are at least 5 LSU Awbarn games that were more meaningful and better games that didn't make the list. Or what about LSU Florida games? Or Florida Awbarn games? Or LSU Georgia? Or Georgia Florida? etc...
7. Again notice how there's not a single national championship game listed in the top 10 of our best games? Like if Hawaii had won the NC last year by 20 points or something in the worst game ever to watch, that would easily be number 1 for their conference.
8. The bluegrass miracle was the only great think about the UK game. The rest of the game was pretty much a comedy of errors. I guess a great finish is all you really need to be classified as a great game.
Couple thoughts...
1. I'll be extremely glad when we are past the days when blacks receiving a job qualifies as a significant achievement. I'm sick of hearing about the first black to win a super bowl, or first black this, or first that. I feel like every time that we differentiate them, we just delay the day that we see them as individuals, and not by the color of their skin.
2. Isn't it weird that he feels that out of alllllll of our most memorable moments, any of our four national championships in that era doesn't even crack the top ten? We're past the point where winning a national championship qualifies as news. In fact, it's more of a shock when we don't win it as designated by auburn's 2004 season ranking as #3 behind only Croom and the creation of the BCS. That's pretty impressive!
3. In the SEC's top 10 players of the BCS era section, how in the world is our only heisman winner not higher up on that list? Tebow was the only sophomore out of the ENTIRE history of college football nationwide to ever have won a heisman! He also beat out LSU's Glen Dorsey and Arkansas's McFadden to win the Heisman. True they have both had much longer careers, but still... I'd have to go with Tebow on this one. Perhaps if it wasn't a big deal for a Sophomore to win it, I'd wouldn't feel this way though? I dunno...
4. I know we have won a lot of BCS titles, but I feel like we would have won more if we had had a playoff. Anyone else think the 2006 LSU Tigers were probably the most dangerous team by the end of that year? I know Florida won it that year, but still... Also Awbarn would have had a great chance in 04. Georgia might have earned a championship that year they blew LSU out of the SECCG, but I don't remember much about their season. I just remember how dominate they were at the end of the year. And back when Spurrier was leading the charge at Florida, he'd probably have had several national championships by now. He had some AMAZING teams.
5, How in the world does a 2004 awbarn team rank as the #1 team for the SEC, when we have FOUR national championship teams to consider? I don't believe they were all that great in terms of SEC history. I honestly felt like they should have lost to LSU that year, if not for some questionable calls. And I was not impressed with their bowl victory that year, and felt they probably would have lost to USC that year. However I definitely felt they deserved to find out what if... Tubbie might have called a great gameplan or they might have played better in a championship? But still! No way they were the best team.
6. Is the only reason the 2003 LSU Ole Piss game even mentioned is because of Eli Manning? Ok yea, it was a pretty good game to watch and all... But they're still Ole Piss! There are at least 5 LSU Awbarn games that were more meaningful and better games that didn't make the list. Or what about LSU Florida games? Or Florida Awbarn games? Or LSU Georgia? Or Georgia Florida? etc...
7. Again notice how there's not a single national championship game listed in the top 10 of our best games? Like if Hawaii had won the NC last year by 20 points or something in the worst game ever to watch, that would easily be number 1 for their conference.
8. The bluegrass miracle was the only great think about the UK game. The rest of the game was pretty much a comedy of errors. I guess a great finish is all you really need to be classified as a great game.
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Great article. Thanks, MLU.
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Second national championship*
And the same could be said for every other game that year, except the one we lost. Granted it was a good game, but I just think it's overrated in the historical SEC sense... And probably cause of Manning. Oh well, to each his own.
I thought it was a great article, just would have made some changes if it were up to me is all. No big.
Thanks for the post LSSpam.
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No. That was your first BCS championship.
No. It couldn't. Ole Miss and LSU were tied in the SEC at that point. Had LSU lost, LSU does not go to the SEC Championship game, LSU does not win the SEC, LSU does not go to a BCS game, they do not pass go, they do not collect $200 dollars.
Any other loss they still have a shot at the SEC and maybe (probably not, but theoretically) a shot at the NC. At the very least they get to a BCS game. Ole Miss also came within a hair's breadth of winning that game. I know. I was there.
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In response to VVextreme's comments:
Mostly agree with the comments around Croom- but facts are facts. Unfortunately it's still a big deal because of race. But it's progress, which is better than no progress.
Definitely agree about Tebow, even though I hate Florida. Only sophomore to win the Heisman is big! He's an incredible player and could be even better this year. We'll see. I'm also a little drunk tonight so I pretty much love anyone right now. Tomorrow I'll be back to hating Tebow and talking about his jorts. But seriously - at minimum the kid is very talented at the college level. It actually feels weird to call a college stud and Heisman trophy winner "a kid." But like I said, I'm drunk.
Don't agree about Auburn - they were a great team that year and should have had a shot to back it up. It's criminal they didn't get the chance. I also think that year had a lot to do with last season - two loss LSU gets the benefit of the doubt for winning in the tough SEC. We might have missed out if this doesn't happen to Auburn. Bottom line - Auburn went through the SEC and didn't lose. That's hard to argue with, despite how many other teams won the BcS title. Being clutch is just as important as basic talent. Congrats to Auburn on that great season.
I would love a playoff system as well. I think a lot of SEC teams would fare very well. The problem is how many teams do you let in? There's always an argument for who got left out.
I also agree with VVextreme vs LSSpam (who I really respect and like reading his comments). If that QB was John David Parker then noone would talk about that game. Ole Miss is a historical rival despite their recent track record. LSU was winning the game and Eli tripped and didn't complete the play. Despite this, he could have still been sacked, thrown an incompetion or interception, or completed a pass short of the first down. A very important win, but in the end no more important than any of the other wins. Another loss besides Florida and we're in a different bowl game. History says beating a SuperBowl QB is a bigger feat.
Mostly agree with the comments around Croom- but facts are facts. Unfortunately it's still a big deal because of race. But it's progress, which is better than no progress.
Definitely agree about Tebow, even though I hate Florida. Only sophomore to win the Heisman is big! He's an incredible player and could be even better this year. We'll see. I'm also a little drunk tonight so I pretty much love anyone right now. Tomorrow I'll be back to hating Tebow and talking about his jorts. But seriously - at minimum the kid is very talented at the college level. It actually feels weird to call a college stud and Heisman trophy winner "a kid." But like I said, I'm drunk.
Don't agree about Auburn - they were a great team that year and should have had a shot to back it up. It's criminal they didn't get the chance. I also think that year had a lot to do with last season - two loss LSU gets the benefit of the doubt for winning in the tough SEC. We might have missed out if this doesn't happen to Auburn. Bottom line - Auburn went through the SEC and didn't lose. That's hard to argue with, despite how many other teams won the BcS title. Being clutch is just as important as basic talent. Congrats to Auburn on that great season.
I would love a playoff system as well. I think a lot of SEC teams would fare very well. The problem is how many teams do you let in? There's always an argument for who got left out.
I also agree with VVextreme vs LSSpam (who I really respect and like reading his comments). If that QB was John David Parker then noone would talk about that game. Ole Miss is a historical rival despite their recent track record. LSU was winning the game and Eli tripped and didn't complete the play. Despite this, he could have still been sacked, thrown an incompetion or interception, or completed a pass short of the first down. A very important win, but in the end no more important than any of the other wins. Another loss besides Florida and we're in a different bowl game. History says beating a SuperBowl QB is a bigger feat.
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Here is another article on the SEC that should make you LSU fans happy.
http://mrsec.com/story.php?id=476
http://mrsec.com/story.php?id=476
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True, but you didn't say BCS championship, you said national championship. However it's just semantics. No big, everyone here knows what LSU has won.
And had LSU had two losses that year, then no wayyyy would they have won the national championship that year. USC would have been in the championship instead of us. That makes every other game just as important. And had we lost to Awbarn or any other SEC team, I don't think we would have been in position to make it to the SECCG anyways. Wasn't Ole Piss undefeated in the SEC at that point? I can't remember the records that well of the other teams. It was a good game. We played poorly in that game, so it was closer than it should have been. I just think it's overrated when compared to some of the other monster games out there that have been played. But I respect your opinion and see where you are coming from. To each his own.
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Thanks for the post man. I agree they were a great team, but the best team over the last ten years? Not buying that koolaid. And yes, I whole-heartedly agree the undefeated SEC champion should ALWAYS represent in the national title game. That should become BCS law. And honestly, I think it was Florida's pounding of OSU the year before 2007 that had everything to do with LSU getting in. That combined with LSU's dominance over the years and our first Crystal Ball have given LSU credibility with the media and more benefit of the doubt. The sports writers and coaches expected us to be in the national title chase since the preseason as a result of our history and returning starters. Awbarn wasn't deemed national champion worthy early on, and it cost them because we all know how sportswriters like to be right...
In fact, I think LSU winning the championship the year before hurt Awbarn the most. There was so much love fest for USC for not getting in the year before, they felt like the SEC was due for getting the shaft.
Bottom line, yes Awbarn got hosed that year. However, I still don't believe they were the best team over a 10 yr period.
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