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He changed the thread title.I'm not getting the confusion part.....maybe because I felt after the 1st awful year with DA and the decision to retain him for a 2nd was the beginning of the force feeding?
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He changed the thread title.I'm not getting the confusion part.....maybe because I felt after the 1st awful year with DA and the decision to retain him for a 2nd was the beginning of the force feeding?
Loomis is over his head. His background was more in accounting and managing a salary cap. He is not a talent evaluator or true football guy. So, he is not someone with a vision on how to build a team. He relied on Payton for that. I strongly suspect Payton left because he saw there was no immediate future success with Saints and was ready for a change. Obviously, he wasn't really burnt out from coaching. He took one year off. Everyone remaining after Payton left has lacked the confidence and vision to admit to rebuilding. They have been mortgaging future in delusion of being a few players away from success. Draft picks have been subpar for too long. Injuries haven't helped. Coaching hasn't helped. Loomis is one part of the problem, but he was fine in his original capacity.
This was Saleh's 4th season as HC for the Jets.
Loomis has worked in NFL front offices for nearly 40 years and has been an NFL GM for 22 years. The idea that he is "in over his head" or not a football guy is baffling to me. He knows more about running an NFL team and frankly scouting and talent evaluation than anyone on this board.
To clarify, I should have said the other option is that he hires another Sean Payton-type to hand over running the team, and he just sticks to salary cap handling. Loomis likely just got lucky with Payton. Now, it seems like he is holding onto DA because he was Payton's guy, and the Payton hire worked out for him. However, the problem with Saints started when they thought they were just a few players away from another SB with Brees, but many of the added players were duds. Then, Brees got old, etc. DA has had enough time to prove he can't run a team. Loomis is over his head if he thinks he can build a winner with DA and do anything else beyond cap management.IMO, ideally, you don't want a GM-controlled org chart. You want a Head Coach-controlled org chart. That's how most winning teams operate. Coaches like Kyle Shanahan, Mike Tomlin, Andy Reid, & John Harbaugh may work with GMs, but in all of those cases, it's the coach who really runs the team. The GM serves the coach's vision, even if he hired him.
That's what we had with Payton & Loomis. And it seems to some extent that's the way it's set up now under DA. It's just that it's not working.
There is a severe lack of true CEO-level, "Head Coaches." Most of these guys are just coordinators who call plays and leave the other side of the ball to someone else.
All that to say, I think the Saints system is fine. It's the same system under which we had so much success. We just need to find one of those rare coaches who has a clear vision and can build an organization that is aligned with that vision.
I get what you are saying.....BUT you are making an assumption here, you are assuming his role hasn't changed......I think it has, I think he has taken on more with CSP gone, and I think it has led to disastrous results....
And before you say it's speculation (because of course it is), you are also speculating that his role hasn't changed.....neither of us really know, but all I do know is this organization has precipitously declined since 2022.....
This franchise is doing the equivalent of taking out new credit cards to pay old credit card debt and then filling the old cards up again anyway.
Recipe for disaster, as we're starting to see.
I get what you are saying.....BUT you are making an assumption here, you are assuming his role hasn't changed......I think it has, I think he has taken on more with CSP gone, and I think it has led to disastrous results....
And before you say it's speculation (because of course it is), you are also speculating that his role hasn't changed.....neither of us really know, but all I do know is this organization has precipitously declined since 2022.....
I have no problem with them occasionally doing the 'signing bonus' thing for an elite player, but you can't do it for everybody, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, this team's depth is terrible because so much of their future money is already spoken for in dead money from past years.If your creditor perpetually ups your credit limit, minus one single instance where there was a global pandemic in the year your best draft class ever came up for contracts, what’s the harm?
I have no problem with them occasionally doing the 'signing bonus' thing for an elite player, but you can't do it for everybody, the proof of the pudding is in the eating, this team's depth is terrible because so much of their future money is already spoken for in dead money from past years.
Makes senseThey could have, if they chose to, extended out more money and added void years to more contracts this year to have more money to spend. The lack of money to spend right now is a choice to cut back on kicking the can to slowly get the cap under control during a soft reset. So, it's really a consequence of not doing the cap like we always do and changing how we do business. Kicking the can certainly got us in the situation, but the cure is what is hurting us right now. And we did it for the right reasons right up until Brees retired. That does need to change now and should have changed 4 years ago.
But, frankly, the root cause of the lack of depth and lack of impact talent is that they haven't done a good enough job in the draft. We are never going to be big players in free agency and we are always going to bargain shop and hope on upside so not having cap space doesn't mean much as long as you are drafting good to great players and spending the cap space and kicking the can to keep them. But that all comes down to player evaluation in the draft and in deciding who you kick the can to keep. They should have kicked the can to keep Marcus Williams and Hendrickson. They shouldn't have kicked the can to extend Cam Jordan as much as I love the guy. So far doing it for Demario has worked out, but that could change quickly with age.
And no team can have enough depth to deal with the injuries we have had this year. But, good coaches overcome injuries and find a way even if the injuries are unprecedented. And good coaches win the Philly and Atlanta game so the 3 game losing streak after Carr got hurt still has you competitive.