FOX8 Sean Fazende’s take on Rattler/Haener backup QB situation (4 Viewers)

[meily]

I saw it and I agree. It really wasn't fair to Haener. If you really think about it, he was the number 2. You would think he gets first dips as the starter once Carr was injured. Rattler started 3 games and struggled. Haener got the opportunity to start this game and was beached at half time. How is Rattler able to have 3 games and allowed to struggle but Haener only had 2 quarters? But Haener is the clean up man for all the games. This type of dynamics is unusual and unfair for both quarterbacks. And I do feel for Haener.

I do not understand this notion that Rattler struggled in his starts, he played within himself and the offense and when he got the start in the second half he was even more confident because of his experience getting playing time earlier in the year.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

You are dismissing the 3 games he [Rattler] severely struggled...but this is about opportunities and Haener got the short end of the stick.

Haener:

Passing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR
8	18	39	46.2	226	5.8	1	1	36	6	62.6	13.8
8	18	39	46.2	226	5.8	1	1	36	6	62.6

Rushing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FD	FUM	LST
8	11	22	2.0	0	9	0	0	0
8	11	22	2.0	0	9	0	0	0

Rattler:

Passing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR
4	69	120	57.5	706	5.9	2	2	41	14	73.1	42.0
4	69	120	57.5	706	5.9	2	2	41	14	73.1

Rushing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FD	FUM	LST
4	9	61	6.8	0	28	3	1	0
4	9	61	6.8	0	28	3	1	0

For as much as Rattler struggled in the 3 games he started (2 of which came against teams that are tied for the NFL's #1 scoring defense) he posted appreciably better passing numbers and rating than Haener (including a lower sack%) and generated 6.8 yards per scramble vs. Haener's 2.0. Coming off the bench on Sunday, working alongside the same players Haener started with (minus Kamara for much of the 2nd half) against the same defense, he turned the same 0-point/38-yard chicken s*** 1st half offensive output into a 19-point/207-yard chicken salad in the 2nd half. On top of that, he is a rookie, while Jake is a 2nd-year player.

What are we even talking about here?

Rizzi made the right decision, and there really isn't an argument to be made otherwise. Jake shouldn't be written off by any means, but he had an opportunity to show something, and simply didn't earn the right to play the 2nd half.

 

[MikeyF]

I do not understand this notion that Rattler struggled in his starts, he played within himself and the offense and when he got the start in the second half he was even more confident because of his experience getting playing time earlier in the year.

He played with one of the most banged up OL in the NFL this year in his starts.
He played very well for a 5th round rookie draft pick!

I can't remember any time in the pass where the Saints loss and I wasn't severely POed for a day or two...

This is because it appears that the Saint's FO hit it big with Rattler. Our future looks very good.

 

[longtime lurker]

I saw it and I agree. It really wasn't fair to Haener. If you really think about it, he was the number 2. You would think he gets first dips as the starter once Carr was injured. Rattler started 3 games and struggled. Haener got the opportunity to start this game and was beached at half time. How is Rattler able to have 3 games and allowed to struggle but Haener only had 2 quarters? But Haener is the clean up man for all the games. This type of dynamics is unusual and unfair for both quarterbacks. And I do feel for Haener.

I think it was Rizzi trying to do whatever he thought that could get us the win. If he knew that he was going to be back next season, then you ride out the game with JH at QB…But I guess he doesn’t feel to secure in the job being his. Just a guess

 

[St4ever]

I saw it and I agree. It really wasn't fair to Haener. If you really think about it, he was the number 2. You would think he gets first dips as the starter once Carr was injured. Rattler started 3 games and struggled. Haener got the opportunity to start this game and was beached at half time. How is Rattler able to have 3 games and allowed to struggle but Haener only had 2 quarters? But Haener is the clean up man for all the games. This type of dynamics is unusual and unfair for both quarterbacks. And I do feel for Haener.

Haener dod not just struggle, he flopped. Leaving him in would not of been fair to his team mates

 

[Pocket Hercules]

While we're at it, here is Caleb Williams' rookie season, the guy who was picked #1, installed as the unquestioned starter in the preseason, and has taken every meaningful snap for the Bears this year with a healthier cast surrounding him:

Passing

season	Team
2024	CHI
Career

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR
14	288	465	61.9	2,937	6.3	17	5	47	58	87.7	48.1
13	270	434	62.2	2,746	6.3	16	5	47	56	87.8	-

Rushing

season	Team
2024	CHI
Career

GP	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FD	FUM	LST
14	67	408	6.1	0	24	24	2	1
13	63	405	6.4	0	24	24	2	1

All things considered, Rattler's passing averages compare reasonably well with Williams', including a lower sack%, and he has a higher average per rush. It's HARD to play well as a rookie QB on a bad team. Within that context, I wouldn't say that Rattler has "severely struggled". He's a good developmental prospect and should start our last 3 games.

 

[B4YOU]

Haener


Rattler

Haener looked lost. Rattler looked like a #2 QB. Both looked like Day 3 picks. I liked Rizzi's call to start Haener (experience > talent). I liked benching Haener at half when it was clearly not working. At this point, I start Rattler the rest of the year, Haener is your backup, and Carr is done. I'm drafting a QB day 1 or day 2 if there is talent within reach.

 

[Pocket Hercules]

Haener


Rattler

Haener looked lost. Rattler looked like a #2 QB. Both looked like Day 3 picks. I liked Rizzi's call to start Haener (experience > talent). I liked benching Haener at half when it was clearly not working. At this point, I start Rattler the rest of the year, Haener is your backup, and Carr is done. I'm drafting a QB day 1 or day 2 if there is talent within reach.

Rattler looked like a rookie QB coming in mid-season, playing on a bad/unhealthy team against two of the top scoring defenses in the league. Projecting him as a #2 is severely premature, and the upcoming QB draft pool is too shallow to reach when we have other needs. We can't move on from Carr. I'd roll with the same QB depth chart for one more season.

 

[sleepingbunch]

Rattler had 3 bad performances mid season with no o-line. 2 were against the broncos and chargers who have had 2 of the nfls best defenses this year. The third was against Tampa, a bipolar team who can look dominant or terrible on any given day....all 3 of those teams should be in the playoffs.

Rattler is better than Haener for sure based on all evidence from game appearances, which is obviously very limited. He needs to play the last few games

 

[rlemieux]

Dennis Allen or no, this is a dysfunctional organization. I totally agree. You don’t say “this guy gives us the best chance to win” and pull him after a half. You also don’t have a guy be your #2 and then your starter goes out and you say your #3 gives you a better chance to win. This isn’t a Taysom Hill situation where he’s so involved in the game plan you need another 2 so he can still play his roll. Things are bad and I’m afraid they only get worse.

 

[football]

Haener:

Passing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR
8	18	39	46.2	226	5.8	1	1	36	6	62.6	13.8
8	18	39	46.2	226	5.8	1	1	36	6	62.6

Rushing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FD	FUM	LST
8	11	22	2.0	0	9	0	0	0
8	11	22	2.0	0	9	0	0	0

Rattler:

Passing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CMP	ATT	CMP%	YDS	AVG	TD	INT	LNG	SACK	RTG	QBR
4	69	120	57.5	706	5.9	2	2	41	14	73.1	42.0
4	69	120	57.5	706	5.9	2	2	41	14	73.1

Rushing

season	Team
2024	NO
Career

GP	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LNG	FD	FUM	LST
4	9	61	6.8	0	28	3	1	0
4	9	61	6.8	0	28	3	1	0

For as much as Rattler struggled in the 3 games he started (2 of which came against teams that are tied for the NFL's #1 scoring defense) he posted appreciably better passing numbers and rating than Haener (including a lower sack%) and generated 6.8 yards per scramble vs. Haener's 2.0. Coming off the bench on Sunday, working alongside the same players Haener started with (minus Kamara for much of the 2nd half) against the same defense, he turned the same 0-point/38-yard chicken s*** 1st half offensive output into a 19-point/207-yard chicken salad in the 2nd half. On top of that, he is a rookie, while Jake is a 2nd-year player.

What are we even talking about here?

Rizzi made the right decision, and there really isn't an argument to be made otherwise. Jake shouldn't be written off by any means, but he had an opportunity to show something, and simply didn't earn the right to play the 2nd half.

Regardless of what situation or rank the defense or lack of players, Rattler did not play well and Haener came in and moved the ball well I short stints. Look I am not looking at the future at the moment. I am arguing about the opportunity or lack of for one player or another. I am not denying rattler or Heaner performance last game. I only agree with what the podcast said about the situation.

 

[football]

I think it was Rizzi trying to do whatever he thought that could get us the win. If he knew that he was going to be back next season, then you ride out the game with JH at QB…But I guess he doesn’t feel to secure in the job being his. Just a guess

I can understand that situation. And that's fine. My argument with those people above is how the team handle the quarterback situation for both players. We have seen some good and bad from both quarterbacks. If winning is important then Carr needs to start the rest of the way.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

I saw it and I agree. It really wasn't fair to Haener. If you really think about it, he was the number 2. You would think he gets first dips as the starter once Carr was injured. Rattler started 3 games and struggled. Haener got the opportunity to start this game and was beached at half time. How is Rattler able to have 3 games and allowed to struggle but Haener only had 2 quarters? But Haener is the clean up man for all the games. This type of dynamics is unusual and unfair for both quarterbacks. And I do feel for Haener.

Rattler had 3 games with no OLine. Carr got "healthy" as soon as some of the OLine returned and we played the Panthers. Haener had a full OLine and struggled. He is a single read QB and is very good at that. Works in college, not in pros.

 

[Fiyo]

I think it is fair to say that Kubiak can't develop QB's.

In his first season as OC working with three QBs, including a second year backup and rookie and with much of the season played with a rotating offensive line and receiving corps because of injuries do you really think he’s had enough time to develop any QB? Because I don’t

 

[SWJJ]

I do not understand this notion that Rattler struggled in his starts, he played within himself and the offense and when he got the start in the second half he was even more confident because of his experience getting playing time earlier in the year.

Rattler struggled mightily with accuracy and anticipation in his starts.