From a Mental Standpoint, Would You Be Prepared for a Full Tear Down? (3 Viewers)

[DSnfla]

Let's say we went the Panthers or Bears route and got a top pick, a quarterback. In his first year, he struggles, and we're winless by Week 12. How would you deal with it from a mental aspect? Would you still complain? Over the past two seasons, I've heard a lot about how this team should be deconstructed from top to bottom. But I've always wondered if folks really want to deal with a year of losing and no playoff berth in sight.

If we are winless by wk 12, you got the wrong guy or you have a meddling owner. In today's NFL if you have the right guy you should see improvement sooner rather than later

 

[DaveXA]

Let's say we went the Panthers or Bears route and got a top pick, a quarterback. In his first year, he struggles, and we're winless by Week 12. How would you deal with it from a mental aspect? Would you still complain? Over the past two seasons, I've heard a lot about how this team should be deconstructed from top to bottom. But I've always wondered if folks really want to deal with a year of losing and no playoff berth in sight.

I guess the question is how much is enough. I would start with the assumption that nothing is sacred and everything is on the table, yet, there's no such thing as a complete, from the studs up, rebuild because you still have to have enough players to field a team and what goes and stays.

That said, the coaching starts at the top and we need a new HC. Then empower the HC to choose his own staff and then start tweaking a roster that fits his vision. Then everything else flows from there. It's gonna take a while, like 3 years before we see real results imo. It's worth it tho.

 

[sfbaysaint]

Teardown is ok only if the whole coaching staff is revamped...

 

[Rexman100]

Let's say we went the Panthers or Bears route and got a top pick, a quarterback. In his first year, he struggles, and we're winless by Week 12. How would you deal with it from a mental aspect? Would you still complain? Over the past two seasons, I've heard a lot about how this team should be deconstructed from top to bottom. But I've always wondered if folks really want to deal with a year of losing and no playoff berth in sight.

If we decide to do. Complete tear down it needs to be focused on getting us back to playoffs within two years.
i am ok with us drafting a 1st round QB and trading away a few years picks to get a Stroud. But we need to be smart bout it, and since Carr is owed so much money he stays another year or two if need be. I am not for eating 50mil in one year but break it up over a few and ok. Plus we don’t know if. Rookie can play in the first year as well as stay healthy.

a complete tear down means all new coaches though.

2 years? Itll take 3 years just to dump the vets. We‘d have to get lucky and strike gold on a QB. Of the QBs taken this year only Stroud hit. And he was drafted second overall. We’d have to revamp Our D because its outdated to the new NFL where youth and speed is required on D to chase down mobile QBs. ( Getting rid of Ellis was a bad move. ) And if we hit on a Qb, would our oline be able to protect a rookie? Our tear down and rebuild is a 5 year project.

 

[0rion]

Pretty sure we're in the beginning stages of one now.

 

[Rexman100]

Everyone who says “yes they can” is lying. This place will go into full apoplexy about what-ifs and coulda-beens. It’s already happening amidst the Hall-of-Fame QB and coach leaving. It will devolve into hullabaloo about “this guy stinks, get the next guy in already” faster than Simon Cowell dismissed bad American Idol auditions.

Wise words ! I can already see the threads. “Was DA that bad, because this guy sucks“. Lol. Im glad I already got to see the Saints win a Superbowl, so im good.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

Keep the receipts for this thread
What’s the track record for complete tear down teams?

I’ll wait…

The next coach will most likely be mediocre too because that’s how most NFL coaches turn out. There will probably be 8-10 new coaches this offseason. And another 8-10 the following year. And so on.

But the current path does not seem sustainable so at some point soon we will be one of those 8-10 teams that rolls the dice.

But also note that the Saints last 2 reboots led to 1) their first playoff win, and then 2) a decade plus of winning and a SB.

 

[No2DC]

We're mostly wrestling with it because it really isn't the post-Drew/Sean era. It's the same era but without those guys. Nearly every other thing is the same without the guys that made it work.

I guess the same car without the old mechanic and driver, I guess that's why we can't win a race

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

How would you deal with it from a mental aspect? Would you still complain?

Are you kidding me? There were people whining and complaining about Coach Payton when we were winning consistently. You think those same whiners and know-it-alls will be able to hold their tongues when the team is losing? Puh-lease.

 

[Filaphill]

We tried continuity and it didn’t work. Yes, I am ready for a tear down.

 

[MarCowMar]

I'm not sure what we think or hope for matters here. The team has structured their contracts to maintain competitiveness and keep good guys with the team through their full careers.

If we tear down we could be in the horrible situation of sending out picks to unload our contracts. Burning seed corn--it's the worst way to rebuild.

The only thing that has to be changed is the coaching and fortunately it's also the easiest thing to change. Start there.

Change that one variable and see how the rest of the system reacts.

 

[J.T.]

Yes, I'm ready for a re-boot. It will take three years to fix this team. Getting rid of bloated contracts and bringing in young players. The 2024 season is likely toast already. If they draft a rookie QB and don't have to give up picks, they have a chance to be decent, IF that QB turns out to be good OR if Carr can be salvaged. If they trade their two second round picks and a 2025 first, they will be mediocre for the next three years. They need too many players.

If they attempt to keep revenue up by raising ticket prices next year, they will shed MANY season ticket holders. We've had tickets forever and I can wait through a reboot, but it's been getting expensive. They probably need to cut prices just to keep fans showing up. I'm curious to see how many Lions fans are here on Sunday. My bet is many thousands. There are tickets for sale as low as $34 and many under $60. The local fans have spoken, many are done. There are some LONG SUFFERING fans in Detroit. It's under a 24 hour drive. Some will get off of work on Friday, drive down, party on Saturday night, sleep a few hours, go to the game and then shift drive back.

 

[SystemShock]

My mental standpoint?
Dude, it's entertainment, not cancer.

As for this "tear down", it's a football franchise, not a building. This team, with a bona fide play caller, easily is 7-4. Had they hired Pederson last year, we'd probably be talking deep playoff run, and most likely than not, no Derek Carr.

 

[saintmike23]

Only if we draft a QB in round one this year.

 

[saint_drago]

I was ready 2 years ago, yes, PLEASE.

No doubt. I'm not going to complain about something I've been bracing for since it was obvious Drew was a HoF QB. I thought as soon as he left we'd have some rough years to rebuild and get the cap in order.

I would rather finish with a terrible record and hope than to be stuck in this hopeless Dennis Allen nightmare.