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[0rion]

Kid? I still do it. I'll even up it a notch. Do the same thing with a root beer float. Put ice cream in and stir it until it's more like a milkshake then eat it with a spoon slurping all the way. My kids also do it. They get the perk of not having a dad yell "would you drink the damn thing and stop all the slurping"

 

[Dago]

The simple question you asked was should a greeter be making $75,000 a year? Well I have yet to see a greeter that was a teenage or college student at the door. Normally when you get hired as a greeter for Walmart it’s a safe bet that you’re going to be a senior citizen, someone that has worked all their lives to save enough money to have a comfortable retirement, but unfortunately, due to whatever circumstances that senior citizen find themselves needing to subsidize their income. And for the most part that greeter also probably got hired on a part-time basis because heaven for bid Walmart pay $40 an hour for a greeter and then have to be stuck with benefits that take care of their health or paid vacation or whatever other benefits, you deserve when you were a 40 hour a week employee.

Which doesn't answer anything I asked. Point is that you are still focused on the microcosm with no thought to how it affects the whole picture.
Usually that type if thinking causes more issues than it solves

Again, as I previously stated, I agree that there are a lot of greedy CEOs who could do more (although we never talk about the "greedy" basketball and baseball players or actors who make more money thab anyone ever needs AND aren't directly responsible for creating jobs for others...sounds like bias). I am just asking people to answer how their "solutions" will affect the macrocosm and make things "fair" for others that have far more difficult jobs that take years of training and sacrifice. For some reason nobody ever answers that

 

[Dago]

I had an independent math checker confirm.

Elon Musk has ~180 billion dollars. That is 100K per day for nearly 5000 years. IMO, only someone disturbingly evil is that greedy. I question those who would enable him too.

Which again doesn't answer anything I posted

 

[gummbo70114]

Which doesn't answer anything I asked. Point is that you are still focused on the microcosm with no thought to how it affects the whole picture.
Usually that type if thinking causes more issues than it solves

Again, as I previously stated, I agree that there are a lot of greedy CEOs who could do more (although we never talk about the "greedy" basketball and baseball players or actors who make more money thab anyone ever needs AND aren't directly responsible for creating jobs for others...sounds like bias). I am just asking people to answer how their "solutions" will affect the macrocosm and make things "fair" for others that have far more difficult jobs that take years of training and sacrifice. For some reason nobody ever answers that

I believe I answered your question directly, i.e. the greeter at Walmart. Now if you want to get into some thing a little deeper like let’s say, the human need to accumulate more and more and more and more that unfortunately is something I cannot explain. The human psyche is a mysterious thing, some of us fortunately don’t need more. We just need enough until everyone sees the big picture things will never change. I was fortunate that I saw the big picture early on in my life so that I didn’t need to keep fighting the system to be able to get ahead in life and I’ve come to a point in time where I can honestly say I don’t need to have more of what I already have. After I pass, I can honestly say that my family is well taken care of, and in the end that really is all that matters. PS I miss football.

 

[Dago]

I believe I answered your question directly, i.e. the greeter at Walmart. Now if you want to get into some thing a little deeper like let’s say, the human need to accumulate more and more and more and more that unfortunately is something I cannot explain. The human psyche is a mysterious thing, some of us fortunately don’t need more. We just need enough until everyone sees the big picture things will never change. I was fortunate that I saw the big picture early on in my life so that I didn’t need to keep fighting the system to be able to get ahead in life and I’ve come to a point in time where I can honestly say I don’t need to have more of what I already have. After I pass, I can honestly say that my family is well taken care of, and in the end that really is all that matters. PS I miss football.

I have made it patently obvious that my using a Walmart greeter as an example was because it is literally the lowest of the low as far as skills, training, or intelligence. Before anybody tries to twist what I am saying, I am specifically talking about the qualifications of the position and not about a person who has that position

You have completely ignored my point about asking how the solution of paying them a living wage of $75,000+ (based on what it takes to purchase a minimum home in 13 of the 50 states) would effect the econ9nmy as a whole and what other jobs that take far more physical or mental ability should pay in comparison.

As I previously stated, focusing solely on the microcosm while giving no thought to the macrocosm causes more issues than it solves. Furthermore, it is shortsighted

 

[bigdaddysaints]

I have made it patently obvious that my using a Walmart greeter as an example was because it is literally the lowest of the low as far as skills, training, or intelligence. Before anybody tries to twist what I am saying, I am specifically talking about the qualifications of the position and not about a person who has that position

You have completely ignored my point about asking how the solution of paying them a living wage of $75,000+ (based on what it takes to purchase a minimum home in 13 of the 50 states) would effect the econ9nmy as a whole and what other jobs that take far more physical or mental ability should pay in comparison.

As I previously stated, focusing solely on the microcosm while giving no thought to the macrocosm causes more issues than it solves. Furthermore, it is shortsighted

thats why i asked when you first said Walmart Greeter, if thats what you got from it.
I know people who work at Walmart and McD. Rarely can they get close to 40 hours a week, i'm sure it has to do with benefits. When you make low pay and low hours, you have no loyalty, so if they won't work with your schedule or you don't like the work enviroment, you simply leave because you can get that at 100 different places. Take the Company Gravity Payments. minimum salary is 70k. retention rate was like 90%. during covid they all took paycuts. after covid, it stabalized, they restored salaries, and is actually paying them back the wages they lost.
low wages in this country is 100% corporate greed and there isn't a valid argument in their defense,

 

[Dago]

thats why i asked when you first said Walmart Greeter, if thats what you got from it.
I know people who work at Walmart and McD. Rarely can they get close to 40 hours a week, i'm sure it has to do with benefits. When you make low pay and low hours, you have no loyalty, so if they won't work with your schedule or you don't like the work enviroment, you simply leave because you can get that at 100 different places. Take the Company Gravity Payments. minimum salary is 70k. retention rate was like 90%. during covid they all took paycuts. after covid, it stabalized, they restored salaries, and is actually paying them back the wages they lost.
low wages in this country is 100% corporate greed and there isn't a valid argument in their defense,

Again you aren't answering anything I am saying. Your post is literally has nothing to do with the point I made.

 

[Tapxe]

Again you aren't answering anything I am saying. Your post is literally has nothing to do with the point I made.

Because your question is a red herring exercise in futility. A rising tide lifts all boats. As those middle class jobs grow they have more money therefore they are able to hire more services which raises the lower classes.

You pose a gotcha question like it is some kind of impossible to solve equation. Fact is, it worked fine back when America was great. The biggest change since those fabled glory days is CEO pay skyrocketed and top marginal tax rate plummeted.

I provided the math on exactly how much billionaires are keeping out of the economy. There are plenty of resources, we have a distribution problem.

Remember, this country grew powerful with a top marginal rate ~90%. Now super rich have figured out or built the system which now allows Musk to pay 8% tax and complain it is too much while you pay 28% and it hurts you as well as folks you've have kept employed with your extra pocket money.

 

[Dago]

Because your question is a red herring exercise in futility. A rising tide lifts all boats. As those middle class jobs grow they have more money therefore they are able to hire more services which raises the lower classes.

You pose a gotcha question like it is some kind of impossible to solve equation. Fact is, it worked fine back when America was great. The biggest change since those fabled glory days is CEO pay skyrocketed and top marginal tax rate plummeted.

I provided the math on exactly how much billionaires are keeping out of the economy. There are plenty of resources, we have a distribution problem.

Remember, this country grew powerful with a top marginal rate ~90%. Now super rich have figured out or built the system which now allows Musk to pay 8% tax and complain it is too much while you pay 28% and it hurts you as well as folks you've have kept employed with your extra pocket money.

So it is a red herring to say one should consider how a change would effect others? That's just ridiculous and once again shortsighted

If you can't discuss how a single change would positively or negatively impact others (with actual facts and not generalities), then you don't really have knowledge of what you are advocating

 

[gummbo70114]

thats why i asked when you first said Walmart Greeter, if thats what you got from it.
I know people who work at Walmart and McD. Rarely can they get close to 40 hours a week, i'm sure it has to do with benefits. When you make low pay and low hours, you have no loyalty, so if they won't work with your schedule or you don't like the work enviroment, you simply leave because you can get that at 100 different places. Take the Company Gravity Payments. minimum salary is 70k. retention rate was like 90%. during covid they all took paycuts. after covid, it stabalized, they restored salaries, and is actually paying them back the wages they lost.
low wages in this country is 100% corporate greed and there isn't a valid argument in their defense,

A few of us have tried to explain to @Dago basic economics but unfortunately either we don’t get what he’s after or he doesn’t get what we’re trying to say. To me, it’s very simple and it doesn’t take a college degree to see the corporate greed hurts everyone below them although the severity of the hurt is less at the top, and it gets worse as you go down the financial ladder.

 

[Dago]

A few of us have tried to explain to @Dago basic economics but unfortunately either we don’t get what he’s after or he doesn’t get what we’re trying to say. To me, it’s very simple and it doesn’t take a college degree to see the corporate greed hurts everyone below them although the severity of the hurt is less at the top, and it gets worse as you go down the financial ladder.

No what you all have done is completely avoid what I have asked and instead spoken in generalities and relative terms that have no real meaning

 

[gummbo70114]

No what you all have done is completely avoid what I have asked and instead spoken in generalities and relative terms that have no real meaning

Try using Laymans terms to make us understand what you were trying to ask. Pretend we’re all three year old because honestly, I can’t imagine it being that complicated to understand how this works.

 

[Dago]

Try using Laymans terms to make us understand what you were trying to ask. Pretend we’re all three year old because honestly, I can’t imagine it being that complicated to understand how this works.

If it isn't complicated then it should be no problem giving a direct, fact based answer to my two questions.

 

[St. Widge]

Try using Laymans terms to make us understand what you were trying to ask. Pretend we’re all three year old because honestly, I can’t imagine it being that complicated to understand how this works.

I really don't want to get into this, but the problem is inflation and the fact that corporate greed won't allow you to raise wages for the lowest skilled jobs (or any jobs for that matter) without it resulting in inflation.

If you pay a Walmart greeter and other similar jobs $75K per year then there will be massive inflation and $75K per year will quickly become less than a living wage. So, it's much more complicated than you are implying. In fact, in the end, the real issue is probably inflation, not actual wages. The value of money is what needs to increase but, of course, that is easier said than done when companies large and small care so much about making more profit.

I don't have the solution to this because it is incredibly complicated. Constantly increasing wages only makes the cost of things go up and it means no matter how high the wages go, some people will still not make a living wage because the value of the money they make is ever decreasing due to company's increasing the cost to continue making crazy profits despite the increase in their cost.

Even starting a Socialist revolution and seizing the Walton family money and re-distributing it to the masses will result in the same inflation and the same problems with greedy people wanting more than other people. The problem is people and their inherent greedy natures, not any specific economic or social system.

 

[Dago]

I really don't want to get into this, but the problem is inflation and the fact that corporate greed won't allow you to raise wages for the lowest skilled jobs (or any jobs for that matter) without it resulting in inflation.

If you pay a Walmart greeter and other similar jobs $75K per year then there will be massive inflation and $75K per year will quickly become less than a living wage. So, it's much more complicated than you are implying. In fact, in the end, the real issue is probably inflation, not actual wages. The value of money is what needs to increase but, of course, that is easier said than done when companies large and small care so much about making more profit.

I don't have the solution to this because it is incredibly complicated. Constantly increasing wages only makes the cost of things go up and it means no matter how high the wages go, some people will still not make a living wage because the value of the money they make is ever decreasing due to company's increasing the cost to continue making crazy profits despite the increase in their cost.

Even starting a Socialist revolution and seizing the Walton family money and re-distributing it to the masses will result in the same inflation and the same problems with greedy people wanting more than other people. The problem is people and their inherent greedy natures, not any specific economic or social system.

Thank you