Breaking! Gayle Benson fires Dennis Allen; Loomis discusses Allen’s firing on WWL (pg 46) (98 Viewers)

[Rexman100]

Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.

Right on. If people are wanting to hate ML, go at it from his cap management style, not his loyalty to his people. But I’ll be real here. His style never pissed anyone off until recently. When Drew and Sean left. He did take a controversial gamble with Carr. (Something I agreed with at the time). With the assumption that we were in a winning window. But now is a new day, and it’s clear that we’re not in the winning window anymore. Does he try and kick the can while he’s in a losing window? If he does, then his sanity should be questioned. But apparently he’s not, we traded Latt yesterday. (He got a little fleeced on that deal, we should’ve gotten a second, but it was at the deadline, so there’s that.). We should cut ML a break, and ride this out with Rizzi. I’m sure ML will hire a new HC if Rizzi doesn’t win the last 6 games in a row. If Rizzi can he deserves to be HC, imo.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

People are calling for Gayle to re-assign Loomis because they’re connecting Loomis’ ”pressure and stress/Allen is an excellent coach” comments with the fact that he didn’t want to fire Allen while Gayle had to make the move. His comments appears to show how out of touch he is with the fanbase, the players and in decision making for deciding a HC hire. Gayle, on the other hand, values the sentiments of the players and fanbase, which led to her moving on from Allen herself after almost 3 years of below average results.

 

[Rexman100]

If you read Underhill's reporting combined with comments from OL James Hurst on local TV, you get a clearer picture of what happened at the end of the season last year. Whether you call it "Mutiny" or some other word, DA clearly lost the locker room. They all thought Loomis was going to announce DA had been fired when he called the meeting last year LOL. I'll see if I can find the link.

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here you go

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Right on. If people are wanting to hate ML, go at it from his cap management style, not his loyalty to his people. But I’ll be real here. His style never pissed anyone off until recently. When Drew and Sean left. He did take a controversial gamble with Carr. (Something I agreed with at the time). With the assumption that we were in a winning window. But now is a new day, and it’s clear that we’re not in the winning window anymore. Does he try and kick the can while he’s in a losing window? If he does, then his sanity should be questioned. But apparently he’s not, we traded Latt yesterday. (He got a little fleeced on that deal, we should’ve gotten a second, but it was at the deadline, so there’s that.). We should cut ML a break, and ride this out with Rizzi. I’m sure ML will hire a new HC if Rizzi doesn’t win the last 6 games in a row. If Rizzi can he deserves to be HC, imo.

Its weird that I said loss to ATL because we won that game, but I guess in hindsigh it registred as a loss because of how things went down.

 

[dtc]

I know, just using him as an example. He wasn't afraid to burn it down so he could build it up the right way from scatch. It's what we needed to do two years ago, instead Loomis doubled down on Allen and an aging roster, and here we are.

This is just silly.

There was no way to burn it down given the contracts we had on the books during the end of the Brees and CSP ERA.

Any argument otherwise is foolish so the only real choice was to hope DA could manage mediocrity or better while the cap worked itself out.

He failed, but the all in strategy we had during our last years of Brees had consequences and here they are.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Completely speculating here but I believe the massive walk out of fans in the third quarter of the Denver game did not sit well, at all, with Mrs. Benson. The optics of it are enormously bad. Sean Payton comes back to town. Drew Brees is honored at halftime. The Saints are horrible and fans leave in droves…..on a national television broadcast. The Panthers loss was the nail in the coffin for DA and justifiably so.

Loomis has an ego the size of New Orleans as many if not all executives and players do. They are never wrong. He was going to prove that he is right to the detriment of the team and the fanbase. Mrs. Benson was not having it. If anything, she is 100% for the city of New Orleans those who support it.

I would not be surprised at all if this is Loomis’s last year with the Saints.

Again, pure speculation……

 

[Rexman100]

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

If she went around ML, it could’ve been MLs advise for her to do so. Reporters wouldn’t know that. So the only option is to assume there’s friction between the two. Something we also don’t know. However, if ML gets fired soon, then we’ll really know the reason. Jumping to the friction argument is premature imo.

 

[silverbullet]

Loomis extended an almost 30 year old RB just a few weeks ago. He's clueless

 

[kcirdor]

If she went around ML, it could’ve been MLs advise for her to do so. Reporters wouldn’t know that. So the only option is to assume there’s friction between the two. Something we also don’t know. However, if ML gets fired soon, then we’ll really know the reason. Jumping to the friction argument is premature imo.

Please stop speculating and please go by the facts that have been reported.................................................................................................................... .. see how the coin flips? What you suggest sounds like the least likely way it went down.

 

[sfidc3]

I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see

This is a ridiculous attempt at gaslighting....I'm laying out the facts and what has been reported.....we aren't 7-2 so I'm not sure why that would even be mentioned....and the injury excuse no longer means....anything....

And if you think a guy with one of the worst records in NFL history is a "good coach" well, that says it all....

What do we have to "wait and see" about? Is there some report out there with evidence it wasn't Gayle? Because I would like to see it if it exists.....that is to me, ridiculous speculation....

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

OK? It just seemed like you were calling a lot of this stuff theories and rumors when there is some pretty solid reporting and first hand accounts about what happened.

But, whatever - we got Loomis out here in public going on about PARKING SPOTS. It's fine.

 

[St. Widge]

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

Sorry man but if you look at all the reports on this, DA might have been fired even if they beat Carolina. Gayle Benson has been communicating with players for two weeks on this issue. It's not an issue that suddenly popped up after losing to Carolina. It seems clear he lost the locker room at the end of last year. I think he then more or less won them back over the offseason and with a better training camp. But after the long losing streak, it became clear to the players that the issues they had with him before were still there.

I think DA is a good defensive coach. But ironically despite all the people calling him a Beta Male, I think by nature he is an old school football coach. Problem is that he tried to emulate what Payton did and that isn't his personality. The players saw through it and could tell he wasn't being who he was. I do think all the personal attacks on him and Loomis are over the top. But, DA clearly was not getting the job done and lost the team. And Loomis showed poor judgment and/or an inability to overcome personal attachments in failing to see the obvious for 1 1/2 years.

That's poor judgment and makes me question whether he can still do the GM job. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt given that he had begun to clean up the cap, stopped always trading up, and actually had a deal in place to trade down in the draft. But the fact that Gayle Benson had to go over his head to fire DA makes me seriously question if he can change enough to still do the job. Sometimes guys just get burned out and you need to bring in new blood.

 

[dtc]

Loomis extended an almost 30 year old RB just a few weeks ago. He's clueless

That guy had 200 yards from scrimmage last week and is on track for his best year ever despite the absolute suck we've displayed as a team.

 

[St. Widge]

OK? It just seemed like you were calling a lot of this stuff theories and rumors when there is some pretty solid reporting and first hand accounts about what happened.

But, whatever - we got Loomis out here in public going on about PARKING SPOTS. It's fine.

To be fair, Duncan is a hoe and that article about the parking spots was dumb. BUT, Loomis should not be focusing or worried about that. He should have been focused on the players wanting his head coach fired, his head coach totally mismanaging the end of both halves of the Carolina game (a pattern for him) and he should have been doing what Gayle Benson was doing.

I have always been willing to give Loomis the benefit of the doubt and I understand Loomis not throwing his friend under the bus after he was fired. But, he needed to admit that DA had to be fired because he could not overcome the adversity of the injuries and simply was not winning enough games instead of complaining about a dumb Jeff Duncan article.

 

[Bill]

Right on. If people are wanting to hate ML, go at it from his cap management style, not his loyalty to his people. But I’ll be real here. His style never pissed anyone off until recently. When Drew and Sean left. He did take a controversial gamble with Carr. (Something I agreed with at the time). With the assumption that we were in a winning window. But now is a new day, and it’s clear that we’re not in the winning window anymore. Does he try and kick the can while he’s in a losing window? If he does, then his sanity should be questioned. But apparently he’s not, we traded Latt yesterday. (He got a little fleeced on that deal, we should’ve gotten a second, but it was at the deadline, so there’s that.). We should cut ML a break, and ride this out with Rizzi. I’m sure ML will hire a new HC if Rizzi doesn’t win the last 6 games in a row. If Rizzi can he deserves to be HC, imo.

I agree with the vast majority of this post. But I don't think we got fleeced on the Lattimore trade. Two undeniable things about Lattimore was evident before getting shipped to Washington. First, no one can deny the greatness that he brought to the position. But alas, his best years seem to be behind him. We got the picks that we did simply because there was still enough value in the young man for one of the 'all in' teams to take a shot at upgrading that corner position. Marshon still does that. However...

The bigger issue is whether he can ever overcome the rash of injuries we've seen from him in recent years, particularly the recurring tweaks of his hamstring. Some seem to feel that his injuries were of the 'business decision' variety. But if that was really the issue that kept him from being 'available' to play (particularly after signing a huge contract), then this is not a good look for a professional player, and it would give even more reason for wanting to cut ties with such a player.

But I truly don't believe that Lattimore was feigning an injury. Instead I believe that Washington realized his past (and current) propensity for ripping up his hammy and considered his history when making their play for him. He is literally heading to the Commanders straight off of our injury list. I really do wish him well and will miss his outstanding performances when he's on the field. But he is simply the most logical start to the list of upheavals that are coming within the next year or two. It HAS to happen in order to start writing a new chapter for the Saints. Money rules the league.