Breaking! Gayle Benson fires Dennis Allen; Loomis discusses Allen’s firing on WWL (pg 46) (80 Viewers)

[Nolan]

And you’re trying to dream things into reality. Ie lie to yourself.

What are you talking about? He actually said the words. He stated that pressure and stress caused them to fire Dennis.

Let that sink in. The day after a professional football team fired their HC, the GM said that the cause was due to pressure and stress on the organization, not merit.

That's not imagination. That's real. And it's a terrible look. Maybe stand behind your owner's decision instead of continuing to make excuses for the guy that she just fired.

 

[No2DC]

You can stomp your feet all you want at mickey's one liners but there's no need for mickey to throw dennis under the bus. Dennis got dealt a lot of crap circumstances regardless if he's really not cut out for HC spot.

I don't call two separate opportunities to coach crap circumstances. The guy got multiple chances and failed. I have nothing against him, but the guy is a terrible HC who shouldn't been hired in the first place. He's covering his rear, that's all. He could have said we maid a decision to move on but can't admit fault in hiring a losing HC.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

The facts from national reporter Albert Breer yesterday

 

[Rexman100]

What evidence do you have that ML would have fired DA? Because to me, that's the height of speculation, making your premise above hypocritical at best.....

The facts that are plain to me are as follows:

1) ML hired DA, kept him around for 3 years, basically changing everything around him and ignoring his awful and obvious shortcomings
2) After last season, he held a PC that could only be described as an absolute clown show, comparing the now arguably worst NFL HC in history to some all time great HC's
3) He defended DA until the bitter end, and his boss (Gayle) had to step in to do the right thing and fire DA

And speculation, ML has an enormous ego and was dead set on proving that he was as responsible for the Saints success during the CSP era.....as CSP was.....

I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see

 

[ChopperSaint]

What page does the talk about loomis radio show start?

 

[SonOfNOLA]

What page does the talk about loomis radio show start?

Page 46, post #677

Breaking! - Gayle Benson fires Dennis Allen; Loomis discusses Allen’s firing on WWL

The controlled narrative failed if it makes the GM look impotent.

saintsreport.com

 

[Rexman100]

The facts from national reporter Albert Breer yesterday

This was worded to create drama where there is none. Breer said that Gayle is frustrated with team struggles and the armchair GM pressure caused her to cave. What wasn’t said, is that Gayle is frustrated with ML. And that’s the imagination piece everyone is connecting. It’s called creating fact from speculation. I just want the truth. I don’t care what it is.

 

[kcirdor]

IUntil we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions.

We are literally going off of the facts that have been reported.

 

[rlemieux]

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

What lies exactly?

 

[kcirdor]

Nope you said you dont think Gayle went behind his back and now it is presented as fact and now the goal moved to but we dont know how Gayle feels about Loomis so" please stop talking about Loomis that way guys the team might hear us and do something about it."

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see

Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.

 

[dtc]

Yeah, I understand your reasoning. I just feel like the offense has been really, really bad. If you'd have asked me what I wanted to do after the second game, I'd have said fire Dennis and promote Klint. Now, I'm entirely unimpressed.

The offense has played most of the past 6 weeks with up to 8 starters out and/or hurt.

Kubiak killed it Sunday and the first few weeks. Calling him out at this point is pretty rEEdiculous.

 

[Rexman100]

Fact: mutiny occurred
Fact: loomis squashed it
Fact: loomis's boss over turned his squashing by going behind his back..
Fact: loomis is still defending squashing the mutiny.
Pure facts and zero speculation.

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

If you read Underhill's reporting combined with comments from OL James Hurst on local TV, you get a clearer picture of what happened at the end of the season last year. Whether you call it "Mutiny" or some other word, DA clearly lost the locker room. They all thought Loomis was going to announce DA had been fired when he called the meeting last year LOL. I'll see if I can find the link.

EDIT

here you go

 

[St. Widge]

Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.

I think it's clear that Allen was fired for the same reason most coaches are fired, he couldn't overcome adversity which in this case was injuries. But, you are right that he proved long ago that he should not have the job. I think it all started when Winston lost his job due to injury and it snowballed from there. Frankly, I think the fact that he has known and been friends with Loomis so long is the only reason he made it to this season.

It also seems clear that Loomis had no intention of firing DA during the season and was going to give him the full season to see if he could turn it around. I do think he would have fired him at the end of the season, but luckily Gayle Benson stepped in and ended our misery early.

But, it does really make me question Loomis' decision making. I'm not sure how you watch Payton for all those years and can't tell when a head coach just isn't getting the job done. Maybe it's because he was too close to DA to objectively evaluate him? Whatever the reason, he either needs to get over his personal attachments or he needs to be moved out of the GM job.