Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen

[Rexman100]

Hatred for a man you've never met? C'mon thats laying the drama on a bit thick.....I don't think anyone "hates" ML but a lot of Saints fans hate what he has done to this team the last 3 years.....

The facts to me are simple, we haven't sniffed the playoffs in 3 years and this year the wheels completely fell off.....

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

 

[Saint Spud]

Publicly blaming fans for firing a coach who you felt deserved to stay is…something.

 

[silverbullet]

Everyone high-fiving needs to take a breath. The real problem is still in the building. The quotes in this article from Loomis are the epitome of out of touch and delusional.

"New Orleans Saints general manager Mickey Loomis said in a radio interview Tuesday night there was “pressure and stress on the organization” to fire Dennis Allen this week and said that Allen remains a “fantastic football coach” despite his dismissal."

Making excuses "abnormal” amount of injuries that included starting quarterback Derek Carr. “That’s just the truth, and a lot of people don’t want to hear it,” Loomis said.

"Loomis did not indicate whether he agreed with the decision to fire Allen, nor was he asked whether owner Gayle Benson overruled him."

Loomis issued a staunch defense of the coach and said he would be "missed."


I expect nothing to change as long as this dude is still running things.

 

[Covington Saint]

You can stomp your feet all you want at mickey's one liners but there's no need for mickey to throw dennis under the bus. Dennis got dealt a lot of crap circumstances regardless if he's really not cut out for HC spot.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Mrs. Benson has some soul searching to do on this one. Clearly, Loomis is living in the past and is in denial of just how bad the Saints have fallen. A clean slate is needed, regardless of the pain it will cause fans for roughly three years. Payton and Brees made Loomis look like a genius.

And to those Loomis defenders, remember this: he wanted Deshaun Watson.

 

[silverbullet]

You can stomp your feet all you want at mickey's one liners but there's no need for mickey to throw dennis under the bus. Dennis got dealt a lot of crap circumstances regardless if he's really not cut out for HC spot.

He could have just said, "We had some tough injuries, but it was clear the team was not trending in the right direction. We thank him for his years and wish him the best. He's done some good things for us, but this is a tough league and sometimes a new voice is needed."

 

[sfidc3]

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

What evidence do you have that ML would have fired DA? Because to me, that's the height of speculation, making your premise above hypocritical at best.....

The facts that are plain to me are as follows:

1) ML hired DA, kept him around for 3 years, basically changing everything around him and ignoring his awful and obvious shortcomings
2) After last season, he held a PC that could only be described as an absolute clown show, comparing the now arguably worst NFL HC in history to some all time great HC's
3) He defended DA until the bitter end, and his boss (Gayle) had to step in to do the right thing and fire DA

And speculation, ML has an enormous ego and was dead set on proving that he was as responsible for the Saints success during the CSP era.....as CSP was.....

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Loomis statements make one thing clear. That its highly likely he got lucky picking Sean Payton, striking gold. Also that he shouldn't be picking coaches from now on.

 

[Bill]

I watched part of a podcast today where the host said that last week, before the Panthers game, Gayle asked some players if the locker room was lost and the response was that it had BEEN lost.

Can someone tell me EXACTLY what happened for DA to lose the locker room? Like was there a particular moment, game, event, practice, flight, etc... where the players are like, man screw this guy?

Some are pointing to Allen's apology for the late score against Atlanta last year that got the ball rolling. Personally I believe that it had to be some time before that, or else the players would not have taken it upon themselves to violate that unwritten rule. It appears the team had already separated themselves from DA by then.

 

[3ParStillDriver]

Some are pointing to Allen's apology for the late score against Atlanta last year that got the ball rolling. Personally I believe that it had to be some time before that, or else the players would not have taken it upon themselves to violate that unwritten rule. It appears the team had already separated themselves from DA by then.

This. We hit a losing streak last year where the players just weren't playing hard. Against one of the NFL's easiest schedules in history and struggling against so many teams that had backup QB's, it seems like our players just no longer believed in his game planning and coaching philosophy. Then the players had a team meeting, rallied, played well the last 3 or 4 games. Then the Altana debacle happened and it seems like the players said "f this guy".

The Atlanta debacle was just the straw that broke the camels back, per say.

I haven't heard anyone say it, but their was a clear difference in how hard many of the players played in weeks 1 and 2, vs 3. For some odd reason, even before the McCoy injury occured, from the first snap, the players gave me an ominous vibe. As if something was off. I can't help but wonder if Allen and co had a great game plan in weeks 1 and 2, and some of the players had no faith in week 3. But that's just my own speculation. But something occurred that goes beyond injuries in that game that really set the teams path for the following several weeks.

 

[kcirdor]

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

Fact: mutiny occurred
Fact: loomis squashed it
Fact: loomis's boss over turned his squashing by going behind his back..
Fact: loomis is still defending squashing the mutiny.
Pure facts and zero speculation.

 

[Nolan]

And you’re trying to dream things into reality. Ie lie to yourself.

What are you talking about? He actually said the words. He stated that pressure and stress caused them to fire Dennis.

Let that sink in. The day after a professional football team fired their HC, the GM said that the cause was due to pressure and stress on the organization, not merit.

That's not imagination. That's real. And it's a terrible look. Maybe stand behind your owner's decision instead of continuing to make excuses for the guy that she just fired.

 

[No2DC]

You can stomp your feet all you want at mickey's one liners but there's no need for mickey to throw dennis under the bus. Dennis got dealt a lot of crap circumstances regardless if he's really not cut out for HC spot.

I don't call two separate opportunities to coach crap circumstances. The guy got multiple chances and failed. I have nothing against him, but the guy is a terrible HC who shouldn't been hired in the first place. He's covering his rear, that's all. He could have said we maid a decision to move on but can't admit fault in hiring a losing HC.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations

The facts from national reporter Albert Breer yesterday