Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (6 Viewers)

[dtc]

Yeah, I understand your reasoning. I just feel like the offense has been really, really bad. If you'd have asked me what I wanted to do after the second game, I'd have said fire Dennis and promote Klint. Now, I'm entirely unimpressed.

The offense has played most of the past 6 weeks with up to 8 starters out and/or hurt.

Kubiak killed it Sunday and the first few weeks. Calling him out at this point is pretty rEEdiculous.

 

[Rexman100]

Fact: mutiny occurred
Fact: loomis squashed it
Fact: loomis's boss over turned his squashing by going behind his back..
Fact: loomis is still defending squashing the mutiny.
Pure facts and zero speculation.

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

If you read Underhill's reporting combined with comments from OL James Hurst on local TV, you get a clearer picture of what happened at the end of the season last year. Whether you call it "Mutiny" or some other word, DA clearly lost the locker room. They all thought Loomis was going to announce DA had been fired when he called the meeting last year LOL. I'll see if I can find the link.

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here you go

 

[St. Widge]

Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.

I think it's clear that Allen was fired for the same reason most coaches are fired, he couldn't overcome adversity which in this case was injuries. But, you are right that he proved long ago that he should not have the job. I think it all started when Winston lost his job due to injury and it snowballed from there. Frankly, I think the fact that he has known and been friends with Loomis so long is the only reason he made it to this season.

It also seems clear that Loomis had no intention of firing DA during the season and was going to give him the full season to see if he could turn it around. I do think he would have fired him at the end of the season, but luckily Gayle Benson stepped in and ended our misery early.

But, it does really make me question Loomis' decision making. I'm not sure how you watch Payton for all those years and can't tell when a head coach just isn't getting the job done. Maybe it's because he was too close to DA to objectively evaluate him? Whatever the reason, he either needs to get over his personal attachments or he needs to be moved out of the GM job.

 

[Rexman100]

Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.

Right on. If people are wanting to hate ML, go at it from his cap management style, not his loyalty to his people. But I’ll be real here. His style never pissed anyone off until recently. When Drew and Sean left. He did take a controversial gamble with Carr. (Something I agreed with at the time). With the assumption that we were in a winning window. But now is a new day, and it’s clear that we’re not in the winning window anymore. Does he try and kick the can while he’s in a losing window? If he does, then his sanity should be questioned. But apparently he’s not, we traded Latt yesterday. (He got a little fleeced on that deal, we should’ve gotten a second, but it was at the deadline, so there’s that.). We should cut ML a break, and ride this out with Rizzi. I’m sure ML will hire a new HC if Rizzi doesn’t win the last 6 games in a row. If Rizzi can he deserves to be HC, imo.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

All of your “facts” are based off of imaginations. Mutiny? Why do we know that that the team quit? When everyone inside and outside the organization said the team still has fight and unity. ML squashing a non existent mutiny? This is based off the possibility that DA lost the lockeroom. Which is based off of a theory and a rumor, Regardless none of this is talked about if we kick a Fg and win vs Carolina. How about the facts, change occurred because we lost and suck, and it wasn’t some secret mutiny. It’s assumed that GB went around ML, not a fact.

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

People are calling for Gayle to re-assign Loomis because they’re connecting Loomis’ ”pressure and stress/Allen is an excellent coach” comments with the fact that he didn’t want to fire Allen while Gayle had to make the move. His comments appears to show how out of touch he is with the fanbase, the players and in decision making for deciding a HC hire. Gayle, on the other hand, values the sentiments of the players and fanbase, which led to her moving on from Allen herself after almost 3 years of below average results.

 

[Rexman100]

If you read Underhill's reporting combined with comments from OL James Hurst on local TV, you get a clearer picture of what happened at the end of the season last year. Whether you call it "Mutiny" or some other word, DA clearly lost the locker room. They all thought Loomis was going to announce DA had been fired when he called the meeting last year LOL. I'll see if I can find the link.

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here you go

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Right on. If people are wanting to hate ML, go at it from his cap management style, not his loyalty to his people. But I’ll be real here. His style never pissed anyone off until recently. When Drew and Sean left. He did take a controversial gamble with Carr. (Something I agreed with at the time). With the assumption that we were in a winning window. But now is a new day, and it’s clear that we’re not in the winning window anymore. Does he try and kick the can while he’s in a losing window? If he does, then his sanity should be questioned. But apparently he’s not, we traded Latt yesterday. (He got a little fleeced on that deal, we should’ve gotten a second, but it was at the deadline, so there’s that.). We should cut ML a break, and ride this out with Rizzi. I’m sure ML will hire a new HC if Rizzi doesn’t win the last 6 games in a row. If Rizzi can he deserves to be HC, imo.

Its weird that I said loss to ATL because we won that game, but I guess in hindsigh it registred as a loss because of how things went down.

 

[dtc]

I know, just using him as an example. He wasn't afraid to burn it down so he could build it up the right way from scatch. It's what we needed to do two years ago, instead Loomis doubled down on Allen and an aging roster, and here we are.

This is just silly.

There was no way to burn it down given the contracts we had on the books during the end of the Brees and CSP ERA.

Any argument otherwise is foolish so the only real choice was to hope DA could manage mediocrity or better while the cap worked itself out.

He failed, but the all in strategy we had during our last years of Brees had consequences and here they are.

 

[MarylandWHODAT]

Completely speculating here but I believe the massive walk out of fans in the third quarter of the Denver game did not sit well, at all, with Mrs. Benson. The optics of it are enormously bad. Sean Payton comes back to town. Drew Brees is honored at halftime. The Saints are horrible and fans leave in droves…..on a national television broadcast. The Panthers loss was the nail in the coffin for DA and justifiably so.

Loomis has an ego the size of New Orleans as many if not all executives and players do. They are never wrong. He was going to prove that he is right to the detriment of the team and the fanbase. Mrs. Benson was not having it. If anything, she is 100% for the city of New Orleans those who support it.

I would not be surprised at all if this is Loomis’s last year with the Saints.

Again, pure speculation……

 

[Rexman100]

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

If she went around ML, it could’ve been MLs advise for her to do so. Reporters wouldn’t know that. So the only option is to assume there’s friction between the two. Something we also don’t know. However, if ML gets fired soon, then we’ll really know the reason. Jumping to the friction argument is premature imo.

 

[silverbullet]

Loomis extended an almost 30 year old RB just a few weeks ago. He's clueless

 

[kcirdor]

If she went around ML, it could’ve been MLs advise for her to do so. Reporters wouldn’t know that. So the only option is to assume there’s friction between the two. Something we also don’t know. However, if ML gets fired soon, then we’ll really know the reason. Jumping to the friction argument is premature imo.

Please stop speculating and please go by the facts that have been reported.................................................................................................................... .. see how the coin flips? What you suggest sounds like the least likely way it went down.

 

[sfidc3]

I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see

This is a ridiculous attempt at gaslighting....I'm laying out the facts and what has been reported.....we aren't 7-2 so I'm not sure why that would even be mentioned....and the injury excuse no longer means....anything....

And if you think a guy with one of the worst records in NFL history is a "good coach" well, that says it all....

What do we have to "wait and see" about? Is there some report out there with evidence it wasn't Gayle? Because I would like to see it if it exists.....that is to me, ridiculous speculation....

 

[Mr. Sparkle]

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

OK? It just seemed like you were calling a lot of this stuff theories and rumors when there is some pretty solid reporting and first hand accounts about what happened.

But, whatever - we got Loomis out here in public going on about PARKING SPOTS. It's fine.