Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (4 Viewers)

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SaintsFanInLA said:
I watched part of a podcast today where the host said that last week, before the Panthers game, Gayle asked some players if the locker room was lost and the response was that it had BEEN lost.

Can someone tell me EXACTLY what happened for DA to lose the locker room? Like was there a particular moment, game, event, practice, flight, etc... where the players are like, man screw this guy?
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Some are pointing to Allen's apology for the late score against Atlanta last year that got the ball rolling. Personally I believe that it had to be some time before that, or else the players would not have taken it upon themselves to violate that unwritten rule. It appears the team had already separated themselves from DA by then.
 
Bill said:
Some are pointing to Allen's apology for the late score against Atlanta last year that got the ball rolling. Personally I believe that it had to be some time before that, or else the players would not have taken it upon themselves to violate that unwritten rule. It appears the team had already separated themselves from DA by then.
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This. We hit a losing streak last year where the players just weren't playing hard. Against one of the NFL's easiest schedules in history and struggling against so many teams that had backup QB's, it seems like our players just no longer believed in his game planning and coaching philosophy. Then the players had a team meeting, rallied, played well the last 3 or 4 games. Then the Altana debacle happened and it seems like the players said "f this guy".

The Atlanta debacle was just the straw that broke the camels back, per say.

I haven't heard anyone say it, but their was a clear difference in how hard many of the players played in weeks 1 and 2, vs 3. For some odd reason, even before the McCoy injury occured, from the first snap, the players gave me an ominous vibe. As if something was off. I can't help but wonder if Allen and co had a great game plan in weeks 1 and 2, and some of the players had no faith in week 3. But that's just my own speculation. But something occurred that goes beyond injuries in that game that really set the teams path for the following several weeks.
 
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Rexman100 said:
Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations
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Fact: mutiny occurred
Fact: loomis squashed it
Fact: loomis's boss over turned his squashing by going behind his back..
Fact: loomis is still defending squashing the mutiny.
Pure facts and zero speculation.
 
Rexman100 said:
And you’re trying to dream things into reality. Ie lie to yourself.
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What are you talking about? He actually said the words. He stated that pressure and stress caused them to fire Dennis.

Let that sink in. The day after a professional football team fired their HC, the GM said that the cause was due to pressure and stress on the organization, not merit.

That's not imagination. That's real. And it's a terrible look. Maybe stand behind your owner's decision instead of continuing to make excuses for the guy that she just fired.
 
Covington Saint said:
You can stomp your feet all you want at mickey's one liners but there's no need for mickey to throw dennis under the bus. Dennis got dealt a lot of crap circumstances regardless if he's really not cut out for HC spot.
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I don't call two separate opportunities to coach crap circumstances. The guy got multiple chances and failed. I have nothing against him, but the guy is a terrible HC who shouldn't been hired in the first place. He's covering his rear, that's all. He could have said we maid a decision to move on but can't admit fault in hiring a losing HC.
 
Rexman100 said:
Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations
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The facts from national reporter Albert Breer yesterday

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sfidc3 said:
What evidence do you have that ML would have fired DA? Because to me, that's the height of speculation, making your premise above hypocritical at best.....

The facts that are plain to me are as follows:

1) ML hired DA, kept him around for 3 years, basically changing everything around him and ignoring his awful and obvious shortcomings
2) After last season, he held a PC that could only be described as an absolute clown show, comparing the now arguably worst NFL HC in history to some all time great HC's
3) He defended DA until the bitter end, and his boss (Gayle) had to step in to do the right thing and fire DA

And speculation, ML has an enormous ego and was dead set on proving that he was as responsible for the Saints success during the CSP era.....as CSP was.....
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I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see
 
SonOfNOLA said:
The facts from national reporter Albert Breer yesterday

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This was worded to create drama where there is none. Breer said that Gayle is frustrated with team struggles and the armchair GM pressure caused her to cave. What wasn’t said, is that Gayle is frustrated with ML. And that’s the imagination piece everyone is connecting. It’s called creating fact from speculation. I just want the truth. I don’t care what it is.
 
Rexman100 said:
Right, but you know what’s happening. A firestorm is brewing as we speak, to pressure Gayle to fire ML. A firestorm fueled by lies and speculation. If the firestorm is true, then so be it. People need to form their opinions based from facts, not vain imaginations
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What lies exactly?
 
Nope you said you dont think Gayle went behind his back and now it is presented as fact and now the goal moved to but we dont know how Gayle feels about Loomis so" please stop talking about Loomis that way guys the team might hear us and do something about it."
 
Rexman100 said:
I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see
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Nice way to see it.

I get Loomis defending him because it's accurate, if were 4-3 or even 4-4 right now, he's not fired. If we win that game, he's likely not fired. Allen lost his job because he wasn't a good enough head coach to overcome those things. Something as simple as going for it on 4th down could have saved his job... Something as simple as having the players backs during the Atlanta fiasco, could have saved his credibility.

He wasn't good enough, and that was obvious in the final loss to ATL last year, and he likely should have been fired then. Everything else that happened after w/ injuries etc was just the universe clearing the way for the obvious to happen, OR giving him an opportunity to grow as a coach.

He didn't.
 
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