Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (4 Viewers)

[Nolan]

Kamara was doubled, Johnson had inside leverage and was open past the sticks, and the pocket was clean. I am pretty certain Wilson's route was primarily to clear out to keep the safeties back. Watching the play, the design looks pretty damn good for Johnson as the primary read. He was open and the amount of green in front of him was substantial.

Carr simply decided to throw a jump ball to a guy with no separation.

Yep. I pointed this out in another thread with a similar still shot. The play-call was fine, we got what we wanted. Just needed our QB to step up and throw a decent football over the middle of the field. Johnson is literally anticipating the throw.

 

[Rexman100]

Sorry man but if you look at all the reports on this, DA might have been fired even if they beat Carolina. Gayle Benson has been communicating with players for two weeks on this issue. It's not an issue that suddenly popped up after losing to Carolina. It seems clear he lost the locker room at the end of last year. I think he then more or less won them back over the offseason and with a better training camp. But after the long losing streak, it became clear to the players that the issues they had with him before were still there.

I think DA is a good defensive coach. But ironically despite all the people calling him a Beta Male, I think by nature he is an old school football coach. Problem is that he tried to emulate what Payton did and that isn't his personality. The players saw through it and could tell he wasn't being who he was. I do think all the personal attacks on him and Loomis are over the top. But, DA clearly was not getting the job done and lost the team. And Loomis showed poor judgment and/or an inability to overcome personal attachments in failing to see the obvious for 1 1/2 years.

That's poor judgment and makes me question whether he can still do the GM job. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt given that he had begun to clean up the cap, stopped always trading up, and actually had a deal in place to trade down in the draft. But the fact that Gayle Benson had to go over his head to fire DA makes me seriously question if he can change enough to still do the job. Sometimes guys just get burned out and you need to bring in new blood.

"failing to see the obvious" Nothing became obvious until after the Philly game. You dont gain a lockeroom, then lose it, gain it again. Its not a juggling ball. You either have it or you dont. "But the fact that Gayle Benson had to go over his head to fire DA" Ill assume for this comment that its true. (it was likely optics) But ill assume its true for this response: Thats not a good thing, that a non football person made a highly emotional decision to appease an emotional mob. ML, knows thats you dont gain a thing by firing a coach midseason. So like a man with respect, he was going to let DA ride it out. Now, that comment was if i beleived GB did that on purpose. I dont. This is what i think happened: ML/GB/<Insert name>, gathered and said, we're losing games fast and furious what are we going to do, we have to trurn it around. Its clear DA is not able to get it done, unfortuantely he has to go. Now lets not be fools and lose another Dan Campbell. So lets play our last card to turn this thing around: Let Rizzi have a shot at it w/ half of a season left. If he turns it around he'll win us and the mob. If he doesnt, then we look for a new coach. The actual evidence supports my theory.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I think it's clear that Allen was fired for the same reason most coaches are fired, he couldn't overcome adversity which in this case was injuries. But, you are right that he proved long ago that he should not have the job. I think it all started when Winston lost his job due to injury and it snowballed from there. Frankly, I think the fact that he has known and been friends with Loomis so long is the only reason he made it to this season.

It also seems clear that Loomis had no intention of firing DA during the season and was going to give him the full season to see if he could turn it around. I do think he would have fired him at the end of the season, but luckily Gayle Benson stepped in and ended our misery early.

But, it does really make me question Loomis' decision making. I'm not sure how you watch Payton for all those years and can't tell when a head coach just isn't getting the job done. Maybe it's because he was too close to DA to objectively evaluate him? Whatever the reason, he either needs to get over his personal attachments or he needs to be moved out of the GM job.

Decision making can always be questionable when it's a friend or someone you feel a connection w/. It can certainly cloud judgement and I think Loomis was fond of Allen, probably even more so than Payton. Some people you just jive w/ right? Truly believe that was the case for this, it's also why he defends him, along w/ some ego, im sure, but he likely truly believed Allen was the right person.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

People told me that the winning streak at the end proved I was wrong

This irked me to no end, including from folks here. That "streak" proved nothing when those teams we beat had similar or worse records than the Saints. We had not turned any corners.

 

[sfidc3]

but I don't get a 30 yard fade even being in the read progression in that situation.

Agreed, that should have just been the clear out route, inexplicable that Carr throws it up there.....but this team has been outstanding at one thing under DA......finding record breaking unique ways to lose games.....how many 1st times with a team with so and so stats loses the game, I remember at least 2, there may be more....

It does look like he may be another Adrian Peterson who can play at a high level at a much older age. I do think it's a risk, but he's the only real playmaker this team has right now outside of the deep ball to Shaheed.

QFT, I think for AK it's his offseason regiment. Which includes yoga and stretching, I remember reading about it a few years ago.....increased flexibility leads to fewer injuries, and longer careers....

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

You've been accusing many of speculating on the events and you lead off with speculation that if we beat Carolina with a game winning field goal that the firing of DA wouldn't have occurred.

Possibly. But I'm not so sure that having to come from behind to win by a point over lowly Carolina wouldn't have triggered the same events.

 

[sfidc3]

You've been accusing many of speculating on the events and you lead off with speculation that if we beat Carolina with a game winning field goal that the firing of DA wouldn't have occurred.

Possibly. But I'm not so sure that having to come from behind to win by a point over lowly Carolina wouldn't have triggered the same events.

I pointed out earlier how was a total hypocrite, no response to that, just continued gaslighting....

I mean, does this guy have inside info on what went down? Because if not, I suspect that to be the case, he's simply accusing others of doing what he's doing.....

 

[Rexman100]

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

People are calling for Gayle to re-assign Loomis because they’re connecting Loomis’ ”pressure and stress/Allen is an excellent coach” comments with the fact that he didn’t want to fire Allen while Gayle had to make the move. His comments appears to show how out of touch he is with the fanbase, the players and in decision making for deciding a HC hire. Gayle, on the other hand, values the sentiments of the players and fanbase, which led to her moving on from Allen herself after almost 3 years of below average results.

I’m just looking for facts without a pitchfork. Saw this? I’m not sure it’s credible. By that I mean it probably isn’t.

New Orleans Saints Shakeup: GM Mickey Loomis faces potential firing After Dennis Allen's sack, as Saints' Owner Gayle Benson makes yet another...

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[silverbullet]

That guy had 200 yards from scrimmage last week and is on track for his best year ever despite the absolute suck we've displayed as a team.

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

 

[Booker]

This is just silly.

There was no way to burn it down given the contracts we had on the books during the end of the Brees and CSP ERA.

Any argument otherwise is foolish so the only real choice was to hope DA could manage mediocrity or better while the cap worked itself out.

He failed, but the all in strategy we had during our last years of Brees had consequences and here they are.

Some moves had to be made, but they made dumb moves they didn’t have to, like going out and signing Derek Carr.

 

[Hubig]

Loomis extended an almost 30 year old RB just a few weeks ago. He's clueless

I viewed that as a distraction, anything to get the fans off the organization for a day or two, extend a fan favorite in the middle of turmoil.

 

[kcirdor]

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

They mean alot to the Saints record books.

 

[dtc]

Some moves had to be made, but they made dumb moves they didn’t have to, like going out and signing Derek Carr.

I agree on that. I would have been just as happy with Winston who I still believe is a better QB, but what do I know?

 

[dtc]

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

What good did it do other than prove he's not washed?

Well, a dumb decision to not let him or Hill go for short 4th down and a missed time out and we win.

That's what it does.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I'm listening to the Loomis interview and the shot he took at Duncan was chuckleworthy. "Penalities (we were one of the least penalized teams in the league) speaks more to discipline than where players park for christ sake". He's so logical and big picture oriented he completely is missing the specifics of the details flying under the radar. He sees the forest but is ignoring the trees.