Breaking! Saints fired Dennis Allen (4 Viewers)

[sfidc3]

but I don't get a 30 yard fade even being in the read progression in that situation.

Agreed, that should have just been the clear out route, inexplicable that Carr throws it up there.....but this team has been outstanding at one thing under DA......finding record breaking unique ways to lose games.....how many 1st times with a team with so and so stats loses the game, I remember at least 2, there may be more....

It does look like he may be another Adrian Peterson who can play at a high level at a much older age. I do think it's a risk, but he's the only real playmaker this team has right now outside of the deep ball to Shaheed.

QFT, I think for AK it's his offseason regiment. Which includes yoga and stretching, I remember reading about it a few years ago.....increased flexibility leads to fewer injuries, and longer careers....

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

I heard all of everything. But if we kick a FG and beat Carolina, then the mutiny magically disappears. Amazing how a kickers leg can change events in time. I wish I had a leg like that. What’s going on here, is people are trying to cope, so they are searching high and low for cracks, where there are none. People’s nature is to pile on. Mine too. But no, kick the FG and change history. According to the rumors, the lockerorrom was lost last year, and by default, still lost this year. The same locker room that destroyed Carolina and Dallas. I Remeber in those days watching like 10 different player podcasts. Everyone was happy.

You've been accusing many of speculating on the events and you lead off with speculation that if we beat Carolina with a game winning field goal that the firing of DA wouldn't have occurred.

Possibly. But I'm not so sure that having to come from behind to win by a point over lowly Carolina wouldn't have triggered the same events.

 

[sfidc3]

You've been accusing many of speculating on the events and you lead off with speculation that if we beat Carolina with a game winning field goal that the firing of DA wouldn't have occurred.

Possibly. But I'm not so sure that having to come from behind to win by a point over lowly Carolina wouldn't have triggered the same events.

I pointed out earlier how was a total hypocrite, no response to that, just continued gaslighting....

I mean, does this guy have inside info on what went down? Because if not, I suspect that to be the case, he's simply accusing others of doing what he's doing.....

 

[Rexman100]

It’s a fact that Gayle Benson went around Loomis to fire Allen herself while Loomis did not want to pull plug to fire Allen. Thats a fact reported by Underhill, Rapoport, and Breer. Ignoring or running from that reality seems to be imagination and gearing towards denial at this point. No one stated that Gayle is disappointed or upset with Loomis. Discussion has been Gayle made the move to bring change when Loomis didn’t want to which is what’s reported.

I don’t think it’s appropriate to repeatedly refer to the fanbase as “armchair GM mob” for wanting to see a winning product and cohesive team culture. Or for stating what’s actually reported.

People are calling for Gayle to re-assign Loomis because they’re connecting Loomis’ ”pressure and stress/Allen is an excellent coach” comments with the fact that he didn’t want to fire Allen while Gayle had to make the move. His comments appears to show how out of touch he is with the fanbase, the players and in decision making for deciding a HC hire. Gayle, on the other hand, values the sentiments of the players and fanbase, which led to her moving on from Allen herself after almost 3 years of below average results.

I’m just looking for facts without a pitchfork. Saw this? I’m not sure it’s credible. By that I mean it probably isn’t.

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[silverbullet]

That guy had 200 yards from scrimmage last week and is on track for his best year ever despite the absolute suck we've displayed as a team.

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

 

[Booker]

This is just silly.

There was no way to burn it down given the contracts we had on the books during the end of the Brees and CSP ERA.

Any argument otherwise is foolish so the only real choice was to hope DA could manage mediocrity or better while the cap worked itself out.

He failed, but the all in strategy we had during our last years of Brees had consequences and here they are.

Some moves had to be made, but they made dumb moves they didn’t have to, like going out and signing Derek Carr.

 

[Hubig]

Loomis extended an almost 30 year old RB just a few weeks ago. He's clueless

I viewed that as a distraction, anything to get the fans off the organization for a day or two, extend a fan favorite in the middle of turmoil.

 

[kcirdor]

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

They mean alot to the Saints record books.

 

[dtc]

Some moves had to be made, but they made dumb moves they didn’t have to, like going out and signing Derek Carr.

I agree on that. I would have been just as happy with Winston who I still believe is a better QB, but what do I know?

 

[dtc]

What good that it do? Who cares? He will be old and ineffective before the team is relevant. His yards this season and next mean nothing.

What good did it do other than prove he's not washed?

Well, a dumb decision to not let him or Hill go for short 4th down and a missed time out and we win.

That's what it does.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I'm listening to the Loomis interview and the shot he took at Duncan was chuckleworthy. "Penalities (we were one of the least penalized teams in the league) speaks more to discipline than where players park for christ sake". He's so logical and big picture oriented he completely is missing the specifics of the details flying under the radar. He sees the forest but is ignoring the trees.

 

[Rexman100]

Its weird that I said loss to ATL because we won that game, but I guess in hindsigh it registred as a loss because of how things went down.

yea i glazed over that part, your point was already made. Ill correct one thing that i said, a FG win over Carolina doesn't save DA's job. What would've extended DA's job another week, is if we came out like week 2's team. That's what was expected. (a decisive win) 31-10 type victory. Certainly not a Loss. It was such a shamefully embarrassing loss, that no one wanted to hear DA speak in public ever again. The situation itself over-rode ML's tradition of letting a coach play it out, because IMO, letting him continue on and stack up L's and players opting out w/ hammys and playing with a lack of effort would've damaged the team. To avoid that nightmare, they manufactured a little hope and excitement by allowing Rizzi to close out the season. Firing DA midseason was the only move and not necesarilty GB flexing.

 

[dtc]

I've always believed Alvin was still on par. He probably doesn't have quite the leg drive he did on younger legs, but he's still got his unworldly balance and he was never a speed merchant. He's also incredibly smart for a RB in how he see's defenses which makes him dangerous in the passing game on option routes. In fact, food for thought.

Last year, Juwan Johnson was supposed to take the next step, and that revolved around him being utilized w/ more option routes. Remember, Carr was supposed to be friendly to TE's. Last year, Juwan didn't take that step.

So here's a curious question. Why was Juwan Johnson the target on an option route on that final play and not Kamara? We could look at our OC and say perhaps bad playcall and yet I've got to think the HC maybe say something like "give me somethign to Kamara here" and Kubiak under the guidance of his HC makes the call right?

IDK, lots of questions, not a lot of answers. Allen wasn't good enough and that's all it boils down to.

Johnson was not the intended target.

 

[Devildog]

Or maybe they deliberately tanked that game to get DA fired. Eh? Guys?