Breaking! Gayle Benson fires Dennis Allen; NOF sits down with Loomis to clarify if he agreed with firing Allen (page 54) (132 Viewers)

[Judge_Smails]

but it's not. lol,

Ask yourself, if this team stays healthy, no mccoy injury etc, based on weeks 1-2...was this a 10 win team? I think so, and they managed to build that team w/ the cap constraints you're speaking of. It's lacking depth, but another 7 man class can shore that up.

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

 

[kcirdor]

if we were 0-9 id agree. But we won 2 games in dominating style. Did the players tell DA, hey, you can have the locker room back, but only for two games, then you're done!

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

 

[St. Geezy]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

Alvin’s face when he’s asked about DA’s firing says it all.

 

[No2DC]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

This is a word I don't think Mick, and some posters frankly, understand. The evidence of hiring, or keeping, Dennis past last year at most. was not there. You cannot just ignore his years in Oakland. The same needs to be said about our FO under Mick after Sean, they aren't getting it done. Ireland ( a Sean guy) had one good draft, and we hit on the coach's position group DB. Mick can't be fired but we need a real cleaning out of everyone because the evidence does not support them when you look at the past few years.

 

[SuperSaint]

It was Gayle's decision, period.

I've posted in the forum a few times recently that I didn't think Loomis would have fired DA even after the season.

Loomis is a type-A narcissistic personality who has trouble admitting failure.

He would have used injuries as the excuse and he would have run it all back.

I'm glad that Gayle did what was needed for the health of the organization moving forward.

Now, if they can get Loomis to stop sacrificing draft picks to move up and select busts, we'll be in a good place.

 

[kcirdor]

Alvin’s face when he’s asked about DA’s firing says it all.

He usually does a good job holding his poker face... he told big time on that one.

 

[SuperSaint]

He usually does a good job holding his poker face... he told big time on that one.

From all the reporting and reading between the lines, it's clear that DA lost the locker room when he didn't publicly defend the players after the victory formation TD that ended the season VS Atlanta.

Reaming them out behind the scenes is a different thing, that's expected, but apologizing to Arthur Smith?

Weak sauce.

 

[Rexman100]

You tell me....

asking Alvin if they expected a coaching change after last week(the look on his face).... "i aint got nothing bad to say about DA but......you could said we was expecting it the week before and the week before and the week before, so you know...."

at 5:20......

He said that because it’s a results oriented biz. Da going into the season we all knew he was on probation. So after losing 3 games, he’s was on a week to week basis.

 

[DSnfla]

Right, maybe that's because Loomis wouldn't have fired DA and likely would have kept him on in 2025.....at this point it's just curious folks would defend ML.....he's shown us who he is.....an egomaniac who was going to ruin the organization in an attempt to prove DA was the right hire.....it was so obvious at that disastrous PC last year......

I'm convinced we could have lost 10 straight and if it were up to Loomis DA would still be here....unless someone can produce evidence that says otherwise, I haven't seen any yet....

LOL you make a personal opinion and then ask for proof to the contrary when it is impossible to provide that proof. Easy way to have your opinion validated. I can say that Underhill said he thought ML would have fired DA at the end of te season

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Given the totality of DA’s record as an NFL coach, it’s extremely speculative to assume he would have produced a 10 win season if the team just had a normal level of injuries.

DA started losing the locker room his first year. He made bad in-game and roster management decisions every year, and his teams lost multiple winnable games in which injuries were tangential at best.

I am not trying to dog-pile on the recently fired, but his teams never beat good teams, lost more than they won against average team, and lost too many games to bad team.

Given that, it seems intellectually obtuse to declare that if the Saints had been injury free (which doesn’t exist in the NFL) his team would have won 10 games.

I mean, sure, it’s possible, like getting struck by lightning, but not close to probable, based on a lot of evidence.

lol, you completely ignored based on games 1-2. We were talk of the town, threads about how Kubiak would be a head coach potential and how we’d be unable to keep him. Threads about how Carr’s contract was a steal. Threads about how close Allen was to having same record as Payton

Sure you can write the above paragraph now w/ a sense of disgust but you can’t tell me this didn’t feel like a team that could have won 10 games after the win vs Dallas.

I mean you could, and you obviously are but Im calling meh on that just because you have the current outcome to support your argument.

In a vacuum you understood exactly my point, just refuse to admit it

 

[DSnfla]

He could have just said, "We had some tough injuries, but it was clear the team was not trending in the right direction. We thank him for his years and wish him the best. He's done some good things for us, but this is a tough league and sometimes a new voice is needed."

ML nor any GM worth anything will never throw a dismissed coach under the bus nor will they make that kind of statement. The most you'll get is " We needed to go in a different direction" or a change was needed.
The fact is what ML said IS true. DA is a very good football coach, one of the best DC's in the league and maybe the best at coaching DB's
ML like Tom Benson is not an advocate of in-season firings of a HC. It RARELY helps and mostly is an appeasement to pressure put on by fans.

Underhill said he thought that ML would have fired DA at the end of the season. . I believe so as well unless we were to after getting mostly healthy we pretty much would have won out. Even so DA maybe would have been gone anyway.

Mrs. B talking to players in times of turmoil is not that unusual. I'm guessing the only difference of opinion between ML and Mrs. B was ML wanted to wait till after the season to let DA go

 

[DSnfla]

What evidence do you have that ML would have fired DA? Because to me, that's the height of speculation, making your premise above hypocritical at best.....

The facts that are plain to me are as follows:

1) ML hired DA, kept him around for 3 years, basically changing everything around him and ignoring his awful and obvious shortcomings
2) After last season, he held a PC that could only be described as an absolute clown show, comparing the now arguably worst NFL HC in history to some all time great HC's
3) He defended DA until the bitter end, and his boss (Gayle) had to step in to do the right thing and fire DA

And speculation, ML has an enormous ego and was dead set on proving that he was as responsible for the Saints success during the CSP era.....as CSP was.....

See Nick Underhill's podcast. He says that he thought ML would have let DA go after the season. He also said that he heard that the decision was made BEFORE the Car, Game

 

[DSnfla]

Fact: mutiny occurred
Fact: loomis squashed it
Fact: loomis's boss over turned his squashing by going behind his back..
Fact: loomis is still defending squashing the mutiny.
Pure facts and zero speculation.

It's PURE speculation that GB went behind ML's back in emailing players

 

[DSnfla]

I’m not speculating is my point. Youre connecting dots. Be honest and connect this dot, if we were 7-2. Would we be having this conversation? It’s because we lost, is why. And why did we lose? We ran out backups 8 of 11 missing offensive players. These are facts. A guy defending a good coach is not a bad thing. What would’ve been bad, is if ML turned heel and took parting shots like a coward at DA. Instead he tried to preserve the man’s dignity. And people are using a high moral move as weakness. What went wrong for the Saints, is that we lost. Period. Unfortunately change had to occur, and DA had to be the fall guy. ML isnt supposed to be happy about it. Until we find out if GB went around ML i will not form opinions. What are the odds really that it was Gayle? The first time she does anything football related, besides supporting a Watson signing attempt, she out of the blue, fires the coach? lol. I think we need to wait and see

How dare you use logic and rational thinking. don't you know the masses need a scapegoat

 

[DSnfla]

We are literally going off of the facts that have been reported.

LOL yeah , because everything reported is ALWAY factual