Breaking! Gayle Benson fires Dennis Allen; NOF sits down with Loomis to clarify if he agreed with firing Allen (page 54) (134 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap.

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

 

[No2DC]

I think Forbes has more standards that MSN or Yahoo, but overall yes it's all really just regular people blogging.

Some traditional journalist freelance with yahoo and I assume it's the same with MSN. However, those entities do not the have standards (credential wise) associated with traditional print media.

 

[soggymoss84]

From NOF latest article

When asked directly if the locker room needed the coaching change, Kamara told NOF, “Yeah, I think so. I think guys needed just a jolt, something fresh, something new. Because it’s just kind of been the same thing with no answer for a while. And we’ll see.”

Great stuff from Alvin Kamara on why the locker room needed a coaching change, what his responsibility is in that change – and the secret reason why he sits alone at the end of the bench on game days.
https://neworleans.football/2024/11/08/saints-alvin-kamara-body-language-leadership

 

[No2DC]

I agree that lack of flexibility to move on from players you don't want is the big issue with how the Saints handle the cap. They need to stop adding all the void years but that's mostly an issue with older players. But, I think all of it made sense when you wanted to keep the window open for a franchise QB and a team competing for championships. But, we have not been that team for 3 or 4 years so Loomis should have taken the cap hits earlier so they can be ready when they have another competitive team with a franchise QB.

That being said, Loomis has been slowly getting the cap cleaner, but I don't really trust him to keep doing it and I think it needs to be done faster.

I think this is another reason for a new GM. We need an objective assessment of our current roster and a coach/GM combo bringing in players to support the team's new culture. I'm not talking about guys like Cam or AK, but we need cycle out the guys who do not fit the next coaches vision. This will not be an overnight process but it need to start this off season.

 

[Rouxble]

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

It's not necessarily blowing up the team, just lack of flexibility in general. The fact that no other team has copied this strategy in a copycat league should be enough to know it doesn't work, and it doesn't enable us to spend as much or more as the next team as we get deeper into the strategy (22nd in cash spending this year despite having the 3rd lowest cap space when factoring in unused restructures). Not saying the cap is the number one reason for our struggles, but it's clearly not optimal.

Non-guaranteed years are the NFL version of an NBA team option, but we convert them to fully guaranteed years all the time. It's why Carr's contract would be a $60-70m contract anywhere else, but it's a $100m contract in New Orleans. I don't think the team would sign him to a two-year $90m deal with $40m in guarantees in 2025 if he was a free agent after this year, but that's the deal he will have (with plenty of dead money from 2023 and 2024 included).

 

[St. Geezy]

It's not necessarily blowing up the team, just lack of flexibility in general. The fact that no other team has copied this strategy in a copycat league should be enough to know it doesn't work, and it doesn't enable us to spend as much or more as the next team as we get deeper into the strategy (22nd in cash spending this year despite having the 3rd lowest cap space when factoring in unused restructures). Not saying the cap is the number one reason for our struggles, but it's clearly not optimal.

Non-guaranteed years are the NFL version of an NBA team option, but we convert them to fully guaranteed years all the time. It's why Carr's contract would be a $60-70m contract anywhere else, but it's a $100m contract in New Orleans. I don't think the team would sign him to a two-year $90m deal with $40m in guarantees in 2025 if he was a free agent after this year, but that's the deal he will have (with plenty of dead money from 2023 and 2024 included).

I don’t think my argument is necessarily that we can spend more; it’s just that this is the cycle we are in and I don’t think it matters as much as people think. That’s what Mickey is alluding to. Our cap issues mirror others but just sent a different form of cosmetics.

What team, aside from Denver, is signing a player to a contract as large as Carr’s and ridding themselves of it with ease?

The mistake was the player acquired, not the accounting style’s fault.

 

[kcirdor]

The Problem lies with the strategy. I just got my check, paid all my bills, emptied my savings and maxed out my credit cards for the next 6 months... my house flooded. Cant pay my deductible.. im forked. Cant borrow off the equity of my house cause my cards are maxed.... and my credit is forked.

 

[lilvipa221]

We can’t move on from players “you” don’t want or players “the team” doesn’t want? There is a difference.

I don’t necessarily believe the team shares the same “blow up the team”/“get rid of this guy and that guy” energy the fanbase has.

Correct and that is why we will run the fan base away with no plan and being terrible while doing it. We are paying more unnecessary money for the same results we would have had if we had "tanked".

If we gave Jameis 5 million a year to be the bridge QB, not paid Derek Carr or Chase Young we would have been basically positive on the cap and in a similar situation.

ML decided to go all in and put us in debt for a Derek Carr/DA led football team that lacks depth. Operating against the cap while being a bad football team is just silly. Having the option of using this method when it makes sense would lead to a great situation for a future coach but the mismanagement post-brees does not instill confidence in future coaches that we know what we are doing.

Continuing down this path without ripping the band aid off and not making bigger moves in the front office will lead to some very dark times for the organization. Mickey needs to take a step back. We should not have Khai Harley and Mickey in such important positions. We need to replace one of them with a football guy from one of the better drafting teams like San Francisco, Kansas City, Baltimore and also replace Jeff Ireland.

 

[lilvipa221]

LOL LOSING , loses the locker room. We stay healthy and we are more than likely 7-2 not 2-7 and we are leading the division and we are talking about DA turning it around or at least not being a big problem

Saying we would be 7-2 instead of 2-7 is meaningless. Nobody can prove it right or wrong but its just pointless to say.

Lets talk about reality here. NO NFL TEAM STAYS FULLY HEALTHY. You cant just say oh if we stayed healthy then we would be this...........every team in the NFL can paint the same hypothetical theory.

Also reality is that we were about as healthy of a team that is necessary over the first 5 games and were 2-3. We were missing a few people but nothing that should have turned us from this 7-2 team as you say to 2-3.

This is an average football team at best but we are paying for almost 2 whole rosters. If any team could absorb as many injuries as we have had it should be us since Mickey Loomis was basically paying for two whole rosters. What are we paying for if it cant even include depth?